I have an idea.

Short ram intakes basically provide instant throttle response but lack upper end power especially due to heat from engine bay.

Cold air intakes lack instant throttle response because of piping length but have high end power especially from cold air induction.

Now, how about a dual air intake featuring...

3" pipe coming off of throttle body then as it begins to angle towards the fender it branches off into a short ram intake. The short ram intake seciton, 3" diameter, has a filter on it and it's drawing air from the engine bay. The other branch goes into the fenderwell creating the cold air intake tract with 3" piping and filter at the end.

All in all, you have short ram and cold air in one!

So who will be the first to get rich off my idea? :biggrin:

I'm doing something similar but I have two filters at the end of my cold air intake to suck in as much cold air as possible. But for those who wanted the throttle response of a short ram than the above scenario would be ideal, right?

What does everone think? Be nice now.

Anyway, I think I'm going to go to the exhaust shop and have them try this out. See how it works. Maybe.

Hahahahahaha

Freak n stupid. J/k. The idea is great, but I don't know if it can actually be applied. Isn't it like trying to get cold water and hot water through the same pipe? You get warm water in the end wouldn't you? I think it would pretty much cancel each other if you think about it. While your up gaining power through the cold air from the CAI, you have the SRI sucking in hot air from the engine bay. You wouldn't get the cold air by itself like you would if you had the CAI by itself. Perhaps find a way so that the SRI shuts off as soon as you reach higher rpms? I dunno. It's a great idea and you would get a crapload of money I bet but until you perfect that part, perhaps you should keep testing and when you do get it, give me a call and we'll be partners lol.

Yeah. You'll always be drawing in hot air from the engine bay, so you will get similar results to a SRI. You could sell it to ricers though -- I'm sure there's money in that. :)

Brand it APC, and make millions off it from the ricers :D

Well at least this idea didn't get the bashing the other intake idea got. I like the idea but like the other's said you would get warm air in the end. However warm air would be better than hot from the SRI and a little worse than the cold air from the
CAI. So all in all I bet you could possibly net a couple hp extra on this vs a SRI and definite better throttle response. Thats why I use a SRI. But soon folks very soon my prototype will be complete just missing two key parts then we'll see!

The warm air from the SRI part of it would mix with the cooler air from the CAI part of it, and that air would blend together.

The new blended air would be cooler than that of a normal SRI, but warmer than usual for a CAI - so, in theory, I think it may be an improvement on the SRI, but it wouldnt yield results as good as a normal CAI does.

(hope your thread dosnt get destroyed by the scientificaly illiterate like mine did...)

if you had some sort of damper or flap that was linked to a plug wire, like on a dyno just clip it on, and run a small power line to the battery with a small electric motor to move the flap according to engine rpm this might be semi-feasable in the near future

What ^ he said.

if you had some sort of damper or flap that was linked to a plug wire, like on a dyno just clip it on, and run a small power line to the battery with a small electric motor to move the flap according to engine rpm this might be semi-feasable in the near future

damn good idea - never thought of that.

having it be able to "know" when to use which one - or a specific combonation of both - would be the only way this would really be benefficial.

Dont expect something like that to be cheap though if a company started making it.

sorry but is has already been done.... Not sure about the cold air part but the duel intake has been out for a while.

and who has done this and do you have a link?

WTF? just get FI...sweet lord....

been tried before on one of my bud's cars. Didnt work to great.

Adiehl, I know I have the dual intake adapter. I'll be putting it on my HotShotcold air intake.

But I was talking about something different. Hey people, not to beat this to death but just coming up with more ideas.

How about putting a cold air box over the short ram filter or something to that effect in order to keep the air cooler.

Anyway, thanks for the comments. Nobody was offenensive and I appreciate that. I have more ideas and I'm sure I can develop something to compete with APC!!! :P

how about the engine bay air will just heat up the box ths heating up the air?

Ceramic coat it. :)

Eh... even with a valve of some sort, you're going to disrupt the air-flow enough to cause turbulance. Probably so much that it would negate any positive effects this might have.

Air travels over the path of least resistance. So not only would you be mixing air but you would be getting more air from the SRI because less resistance there. Probably like 60-65% SRI and the rest from the CAI. Also where they meet would create turbulance, and a flapper to switch between the two would also cause trouble. The only way you may have a chance is to have like almost a dual throttle body, one for each intake tube then have a large mixing plenum tapering to the intake manifold. Then set up the throttle bodies to work together with SRI openning first then at higher RPM pull from the CAI, and that will probably cause problems as well. I don't see a good way to do it but if you make it work then rock on man.

If i had access to a machining shop i could prototype this idea. unfortunately, i have neither the access or funds. granted the air flow may not be as smooth as a cai but it would be damn close. The end unit basically would just have one of the two intakes having to make a decently sharp turn. However, unless you have your manifolds machined, the incoming air hits a ton of turbulance anyway right?

It would be nice if you could get in upper IM with a throttle body on each end. Then you could get a ton of air in. There is probably enough room on the pulley side of the motor to get an SRI in there somewhere.

Just get the intake to come UP (verticaly) out of the hood, come forward and be exposed directly to the fresh on coming air.

would look ridiculous - but the only way I think serious gains can be made from a standard intake.

You want real power, get individual throttle bodies straight off the lower intake manifold to a hood scoop.

Just get the intake to come UP (verticaly) out of the hood, come forward and be exposed directly to the fresh on coming air.

would look ridiculous - but the only way I think serious gains can be made from a standard intake.

Woah! Great minds think alike, I just thought about this 5 min. ago.
The only problem I see would be if it rained. :'(

lol yeah for real.

if it was just like a car you used to race only on dry days and not a daily driver, it might be worth looking into.

Obviously.

Individual throttle bodies huh...

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