well...in korea...two cars raced and the result came out to be NA's the winner...
i got shocked...is it really NA faster??
cuz i doubt it...
plus i was gon get RIPP's supercharger but if it's slower than 200 NA....**** it...

How do you know this? Did you see it? Also there are a lot of things that could have been big variables. Maybe the supercharged car had no traction what so ever. Also what did they race in? 1/8, 1/4,? We need time slips that way we, or at least I could tell what was happening to both cars. As long as they can get the power to the ground the S/C car should be a lot faster not the other way around. Once again I would maybe question where you got the info from.

I agree with Ibbanez - more details are needed. Under actual "race" conditions, it should not have happned that way. Maybe it was a "street" race, and the S/C car didn't know that there was even a race going on... ;)

needs to go in Race or Fight forum... ::)

no no...it was a korean Mag...and it was up to 200kms...which is 124 mph...
the NA was faster all the way...but after that supercharged was faster...
after seeing that...my friend is goin NA...but i can't understand how that works...

screw this...if two cars have 200whp...one supercharged...one NA....
would they have same performance....or is supercharged faster since it gets more power with less RPM...
NA would prolly go up to 6800 ~ 7000 RPM....

it's all about useable powerband.

In low RPM situations Turbos and SC are not really all that helpful. Turbos are paticularly susceptable to this problem. Turbo takes time to spool up and build pressure to make power and so you will see that 60ft times with Turbos aren't really awesome compaired to the 1/4 time for Turbos. They make power later at high RPM and that is where they make up time. Superchargers are similar but don't tend to be as bad as Turbos. They make alot more pressure sooner but Turbos tend to be able to spool up a little higher. Both however add additional load on the motor that the motor has to overcome then after they spool up a little they make up for that load and then some. So in VERY low RPM situations a N/A application may have some advantage in that they tend to have a smoother more consistent power production and when you get 200hp N/A it is more indicative of power it can make throughout the RPM range. But a 200hp Turbo or SC is more indicative of power it can make when it is at full boost / fully spooled up. So in a very short race, a car rated at lower HP N/A will have some advantage over a higher rated Turbo or SC but once they spool up then the N/A car is done for.

well said... i even understood that and i'm a novice at tuning cars...

also keep in mond that if its a roots type then ur getting ur power alot quicker...and if thats the case the sced tib prob kept spinning off the line...

eh, it is the same way here oin the states, all the NA carsa are owning all the uspercharged cars at the track

You are simply looking at the Horsepower and thinking that the higher number should win.

The most important factor you are overlooking is the fact that the peak HP of the SC'd car is most likely made later on in the RPM range, meaning that the N/A car will be able to have a better start, since it makes peak HP earlier in the RPM range.

The point where the difference balanced out is when the Sc'd car started to beat the N/A car. If the test was allowed to go on from there, I am sure the SC'd car would have handed the N/A their A$$ on a platter.

-Scott

actually, a very imoprtant factor is how soon max torque is made..if the sc makes the most torque later in the rpm range then the NA car would take it off the line and the sc tib would catch up and whip ass at higher speeds

Ehhh TQ..... HP it's all related!

-Scott

Whats faster, a Cobra SVT or a Mach 1? Ya the supercharged higher output SVT is faster.
So story is BS.

Don't even care to bother with using logic on this one either cause its so extremely stupid.

a 60 hp difference? and the lesser one winning up to 120mph. No. Superchargers are known for power right off the line, thats why superchargers are great for launching, but the parasitic drag created by the blower will hurt it in the top end, where as a turbo has lag at the beginning and has more power in the top. NA, i see this happening if the NA vehicle is much lighter than the SC'd tib.

When you start getting over 220 to 240 WHP in a FWD car traction becomes a real problem. I am guessing that they both had traction challenges in first, and then the N/A launched way ahead in second while the SCed tib was still spinning its tires all the way through second. Then the SCed tib got good traction in third and started to catch up to the N/A, finally catching up to it and passing it in fifth. Just my picture of how the race went...

This thread also makes you wonder why all the top times in the racing forum belong to 170 to 180 WHP N/A tibs, instead of the 200 to 220 WHP SCed tibs cruising this board... ;)

Drivers??? j/k hhahahahahahah....I guess will see once I get to the 250 + mark

When you start getting over 220 to 240 WHP in a FWD car traction becomes a real problem. I am guessing that they both had traction challenges in first, and then the N/A launched way ahead in second while the SCed tib was still spinning its tires all the way through second. Then the SCed tib got good traction in third and started to catch up to the N/A, finally catching up to it and passing it in fifth. Just my picture of how the race went...

This thread also makes you wonder why all the top times in the racing forum belong to 170 to 180 WHP N/A tibs, instead of the 200 to 220 WHP SCed tibs cruising this board... ;)

It is difficult to say when it comes to comparison of two car we don't know any detail.

Traction is very important. One of car may have launch control. Might have better tire like Mickey Thompson drag.

n/a car is much easier to control in terms of traction. If tire start slipping, you can easily ease the gas whereas forced induction cars tend to either going high boost or none at all.

If driver is less experienced, the forced induction cars will be going nowhere at high rpm. You can change gear from 1-2-3 and still buring tire at same spot.

Everland Speedway is slight up hill, if it was race at this place. Weight distribution, weight center and suspension is also vital point.

Summarize: I don't know.

no no...it was a korean Mag...and it was up to 200kms...which is 124 mph...
the NA was faster all the way...but after that supercharged was faster...
after seeing that...my friend is goin NA...but i can't understand how that works...My Tib has S/C (6-spd), I raced SilverShark one night in his Lighten N/A Tib (6-spd). From a slow roll in 1st gear to the top of 3rd gear, we were dead even, just before redline, I started to pull slightly, then we shut down.
At that time, I had the stock exhaust, except for mufflers, and CAI. Since then I've redone my entire exhaust system from the flex pipe back (2 1/2") to 2 1/4 " tailpipes, which made a big difference in performance, and just recently I had a California Recall, they reprogrammed my ECU (wasn't reading the O2 sensors correctly, making the engine run lean), That made a REAL difference, from a slow roll in 2nd gear, my tires start spinning big time at around 3,000 RPM. Before the ECU reprogram, I ran a 14.9 ET @ 96 MPH. I can't wait to see what it runs the Quarter Mile in now...

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no no...it was a korean Mag...and it was up to 200kms...which is 124 mph...
the NA was faster all the way...but after that supercharged was faster...
after seeing that...my friend is goin NA...but i can't understand how that works...It's because, with the 6-speed gearbox, the first 3 gear ratio's are so close, that from a dead stop, you can't really use the power of the S/C until you hit 4th gear, then you can really feel the power of the Supercharger, it's all top end....
However, its a different ball game on the street. From a roll in 2nd Gear, a S/C tib is so quick, it will walk away from Mustang GT's....
I luv the 6-speed box, I just don't like 1st Gear. It's geared way too low for the S/C.

You can check out my Drag Race video's.....

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oh....that's why 200whp does not seem to do much...
i was expecting them to do like 14.0 quarter miles...
tibs need serious gear ratio change with mods...