Ok guys,im sure all of you have went thru this a thousand times or more,but i dont know about you,but i love to keep talking about tibs. lol so here we go. I have a tib gt,03,and i want to know what would you guys recommend as the best to go with for more power?? Should i buy a S/C,or a Turbo??? Does ALPINE make a excellent S/C?? how good is TEAMSR turbo for this car?? Which is the best bang for the buck? I would like to spend 4 g's or less on this mod,so let me know what you guys think..... :biggrin: ::)

Go turbo. the turbo kit is cheaper to start.. produces more power.. and you get that lovely lovely psssstt sound..

what about that really cool supercharger whine?

turbo = possible lag more power in high end due to no parasitic drag.

supercharger = more instant low end power, but parasitic drain occurs in the high range due to being belt powered.

Overall - what kind of numbers are you looking to produce? NEXTGEN has a 257 whp kist for the Alpine Supercharger. Turbos are still in the custom phase i believe and I know of one person that is building up a promising setup for the v6. So it depends on when and where you want your best powerband.

I prefer to have the S/C, because I like to keep things simple. I know the Turbo setup would produce more power and such, but it is some what more technical.

I like them both so like monkman33 said it all depends where you want your power at. Another thought is that GM cars use S/C.

Go turbo. the turbo kit is cheaper to start.. produces more power.. and you get that lovely lovely psssstt sound..

I believe you can use a bov with a centrifugal SC, so that you still get the pssssstt sound.

i would take a SC. I love turbos more than SC's but turbos just can cause more problems, from what i heard if u dont take mad care of them. And i wanna personally build my car N/A and then when ready just slap a SC on it

Well first u have to look at what engine u have if u have the V6 then buy the Alpine SC, but if u have a 4 banger like me buy a turbo. Plus and this is very important the V6 can't handle a lot of power from a turbo, member the V6 is made of all aluminum casting ?? It won't be able to handle the power of a turbo, Apex'i was havin problems tryin to turbo the V6 cause it doesn't have reliable internal parts.

The 4 cyl. on the other hand is made of all steel casting so it could handle the power of a turbo plus i don't think they have SC's for the 4 cyl. The only thing is the internals of the 4 cyl. can only handle up to like 220 whp so if ur turbo id running more than that u have to upgrade that stuff too; ie. the pistons and connecting rods !!!

Well, I have my TeamSR turbo for the V6 on the way right now, and I was talking with bradley the other night and he said that they are going to be releasing a stage 2 and stage 3 setup for that turbo to push it to near 400hp (not sure what the cost of the two will be, but I'm sure high for that kind of power) but he also told me that the kits will include rods and pistons, and all new fuel tuning tools, etc...so I'll post more info as that becomes available

With a centrifugal sc, it is possible to have a BOV because the supercharger is really just the compressor half of a turbo with the shaft connecting to a pulley turned by the belt. so cine the compressor is before the throttle body, it is possible to have a BOV

with the alpine, the compressor is after the throttle body, so a bov is not possible

RIPP is making a SC for the V6 tib that is under 4g and will create the most HP and any other system, they come as a bolt on system , ready to go. they say it will have at least a 100 WHEEL hp increase, so thats over 300hp to the motor, and they're suppose to reliable qaulity stuff.

so n e one wants to sign in for RIpp's SC?

I would rather upgrade pistons and rods before going to that kind of power. Bit if they guarantee it, then by all means: WOOHOO!!!

yea i had thought about a team sr turbo kit,but then i thought hmmm why not alpine s/c. where can i get a alpine s/c and whats the price on that *****??what kind of numbers does it run.I have a v6

go with a supercharger. Yeah the Turbo sounds cool and all but there isnt no warrenty.

Well first u have to look at what engine u have if u have the V6 then buy the Alpine SC, but if u have a 4 banger like me buy a turbo. Plus and this is very important the V6 can't handle a lot of power from a turbo, member the V6 is made of all aluminum casting ?? It won't be able to handle the power of a turbo, Apex'i was havin problems tryin to turbo the V6 cause it doesn't have reliable internal parts.

The 4 cyl. on the other hand is made of all steel casting so it could handle the power of a turbo plus i don't think they have SC's for the 4 cyl. The only thing is the internals of the 4 cyl. can only handle up to like 220 whp so if ur turbo id running more than that u have to upgrade that stuff too; ie. the pistons and connecting rods !!!

where have u been? the whole "weak delta" thing went out the window a long time ago. saying that the internals are weak is kinda silly. are u looking stock internals on a N/A designed sub 20k car that holds 20+ psi of boost? nxtgen ran about 14 psi for a bit (might still be)and the stock internals held(thats good in my book). any high boost engine needs internal work, evern your I4. oh there are lots of high boost engines out here that are all aluminum.

the 400hp ls6 engine from the z06 vette is aluminum

Import racer is claiming 300WHP from their alpine project car. I don't know how they are getting that with less goods than nextgen is using though?!? As with either application, turbo or sc, they do need built up internally. You're just not going to get the mileage out of them that you would bone stock if you boost them. and unless a dealer installs the alpine you are quite screwed on hyundai and alpine's warranties. It won't be covered if you install it yourself unless you are ASE certified. to answer the question though- the supercharger is more unique than the turbo as more newer cars are turboed.

i'm going turbo in a couple of months, :3_loveit: i was debating over the rippmods s/c and teamsr turbo for a few months decided turbo cause guys are right up the road. i don't think turbo lag will be much of an issue because of how close the gear ratio is in the delta. plus once turbo system is installed it is easier to up the boost than to change a pulley just my two cents.

the 400hp ls6 engine from the z06 vette is aluminum

Yeah, but a Z06 is also $52k (or thereabouts).

Eh.... do'em both :3_winkthu

Seriously, it just depends what you want.
For now, I have the alpine SC with the stage 2. Once it's tuned, it'll be AT LEAST 250WHP. Right now, that's more than any kit out there, including what RIPP Mods will make.

As for me, I'm going to see how far I get with the Alpine SC. Once I max it out (cuz SC's do get maxed out and become inefficiant after certain PSI levels) then I'll make the switch to a turbo kit after I build the bottem end.

But think of this: NextGen has some plans... good plans... with the built block, he talks of acheiving 350WHP, on tap, whenever you want for daily driving..... then run a nice shot of nitrous through that for racing. I won't say how big of a shot (don't want to get some hopes up) but with the amount of power he talks of getting out of the SC and the nitrous (and other tuning), it'll be more than even what Shark Racing will have to offer with the Stage 2 AND Stage 3 :3_loveit: :3_winkthu

Eh.... do'em both :3_winkthu

Seriously, it just depends what you want.
For now, I have the alpine SC with the stage 2. Once it's tuned, it'll be AT LEAST 250WHP. Right now, that's more than any kit out there, including what RIPP Mods will make.


I'm not sure about that, actually, RIPP will easily achieve that with stage 1.

i find it funny when everyone is saying that the RIPP s/c is gonna do this and produce this much hp.. and u know what the fact of the matter is the s/c isn't even created yet .. they are just claiming numbers. T.C. has already gotten 300whp out of his car with the s/c it is after 3 upgrades but still that is a hell of a figure if u ask me and for RIPP to do that in only one stage will be something to see.. i am not saying its not possible becuz anything is possible..but i have to see it to believe it .. RIPP mods might have been able to do that before other cars but this is another car. so lets just see what happens. thats just my 2 cents.

i find it funny when everyone is saying that the RIPP s/c is gonna do this and produce this much hp.. and u know what the fact of the matter is the s/c isn't even created yet .. they are just claiming numbers. T.C. has already gotten 300whp out of his car with the s/c it is after 3 upgrades but still that is a hell of a figure if u ask me and for RIPP to do that in only one stage will be something to see.. i am not saying its not possible becuz anything is possible..but i have to see it to believe it .. RIPP mods might have been able to do that before other cars but this is another car. so lets just see what happens. thats just my 2 cents.

the Vortech sc is just more efficient than a roots style sc, it always would be a liitle ahead of it. Butt your right that it isn't out yet , so to say vice versa that it won't avhieve is presumptious. The fastest Eclipse out there, is not a turbo, it is a SC powered by RIPP

I think that I would do a turbo. The supercharged tibs seem to have big traction probs. due to so much torque. With a turbo a little lag might help since our cars already make good low end torque, the power really won't come in till a higher rpm once some traction is achieved.

ok..about RIPP, their centrifugal s/c is prolly goin to be putting close to 300hp ON THE WHEEL. they said from their own inspections, the v6(delta) engine is much better than a mitsu engine. so, 300whp will be easy on the delta. also, thier system comes with a BOV sooo..if u like that 'psssssssssssssst"(like me(^_^)), that is great! i'm goin to go see them 2morrow if i get a chance to and check it for myself. today, i found out that RIPP's tib is about 70% complete. it is running but didn't get to go to the meet we had coz they need to reinstall all the electronics. other than that, they r good to go!!!!! (^_^)

I seriously doubt RIPP will produce a Stage 1 SC with 300WHP. I love their work and am a big fan, but I don't see that happening. If the Stage 1 is AT LEAST 100WHP, than most Tibs will get about 242 to 250 WHP off the Stage 1. Again, NextGen is at that and the price setup is about the same.

But if RIPP does churn out a Stage 1 300WHP kit, expect to pay a pretty penny for that setup.

this would be stupid to turn into a pissing contest , good luck to everybody and tibs

I need money lots of it for mods...I just want me car to go fast. The way I have my mods now sc would be good for me cause I have I/E/H. I hope Ripp does make good power with there sc. Only time will tell. I am gonna have to save for along time. Hopefully I will have something before the Georgia tib mega meet. HEHEHE Auto Power! See ya at the meet!

For auto's, I would say the RIPP SC would be better... or a turbo.

Yea..... PM RIPPPP.... he is almsot done with the SC. Its supposed to b 300 hp and come with the blow off valves.......... or so i heard from some people that visited his shop. If you want to save money, it is definitaly the right choice. I am thinking about it too but i have to win a lottery.... i played yesterday and i won $1..... im on my way.... hold on to your pants ....... lol

lol.. good win .. i hope u got a financial advisor for those winnings of urs from the lottery (big money baller now huh?).. lol..:) anyways i hope RIPP is able to produce a kit that produces 300whp.. if they do great .. cuz that is great for all of us tiburon owners.. but i still have to see it to believe it .. thats my motto..

-matt

The Alpine S/C is great and upgradeable and NextGen is doing alot more to make it better but if the Ripp mods S/C happpens to be everyting they say it is i would wait. Look at all of your options and decide from there. thats just my 2 cents.:3_winkthu

yup yup. the decision is up to whoever. i am considering RIPP big time coz for one thing, they r just about a 20min drive from me, not 20 hours. also, $$ is a consideration. just have to wait i guess. but it all comes down to like what everybody here has been told b4, ur preferrance.

Here's another thing to think about:

On a supercharger, the only way to up the boost is to use a smaller pulley. This would mean it takes more power to turn it since you are decreasing the amount of effective leverage that your crank has to turn the supercharger.

With a turbo, even if you use a small one that boosts at 2k rpm, all you have to do is adjust the wastegate to up the amount of boost being fed to your engine. Just please dont forget internals when doing this...k?

And Ibbanez will have something put together here in the future (prolly before Rioomods) as far as turbo's go.

But for turbos, there's a lot more things that could go wrong than with an SC.

yeah that may be but with proper tuning it shouldnt be a problem. Basically just take care of your car and it will take care of you. But you already know that Tibmeister. :3_chubby: Im just talkin over here. :3_smile:

Hmm, so why are there more factory turbo-charged vehicles than there are supercharged vehicles? If you give a turbo time to cool down after it has done all that work, they are the exact same as for reliability, and more efficient.

as for more things to go wrong? Huh? everything has bearings or bushings or something like that. THat's your main concern. You can overboost with a supercharger if you put too small of a pulley on it. superchargers are nice becasue you know exactly what kind of boost profile you are going to get at each specific RPM, but once you know your stuff about turboing, you can do the exact same thing there too.