I just got an email from a company that I've been emailing back and forth, and well you want the good news here you go:

Order for me, I have the Tiburon v6 SMT-6 for $495 pre config with wire diagram.

The v6 pre-config does me no good, so one of you has to continue chats with them... here's the info:

Best Regards,
Bob

Perfect Power USA
600 Texas Rd.
Morganville,N.J. 07751
732 591 1245 ext 3#
www.IdaAutomotive.com

Good luck and you guys are lucky to have this...

**** me, for real???? Can they do ignition timing? did you get any more info? I was going to buy an smt 6 along time ago, but wasn't sure about the timing aspect of it.

I am a dumbass because I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but if it makes power I am alway interested. What is this part?

I can tell you that we sorta have the timing working on a 4 cylinder, but was done by noone directed with PERFECT POWER... just a regular tuner...

This comes directly from the major USA distributor, if they have a diagram and pre-config, I don't see why it's not fully working, they wouldn't put something out there that is not complete...

wut is smt-6?

its a performance chip biggy back. but ur not touching ur ecu.and very easy to tune car for alot of hp.

piggy back system.

I sent them an email...I am on this like flies on you know what.....

Hey Samba maybe now we wont have to figure out the dip switches on the other item....yay....

Ohh I also emailed them....

Hey Samba I also went on the SMT-6 manufacturers website and they have or car on their listing for wiring diagrams. So I emailed them and they should be sending me a copy of it. It looks like it about $500 for the unit and around $200 for the software to tune it. Which Im sure there are ways around buying the software. Im sure some dyno tuning places have the software and if not can probably get ahold of a copy of it. :)

Or pete will make ya copy of it :D

How serious is this? Are we for sure gonna be able to adjust timing with this thing. What are it other capabilities as far as A/F etc... I love this board.

Hey Guys,

I have talked to Bob from Perfect Power on the SMT6 a little while back. They have a developers package that I am going to buy, which will include everything I need to import a base file for the V6 Tiburons. Once I do this I will be a dealer and be able to buy the Smt6 at a very good price. I will be able to import a base file on it so that all you will have to do is wire it up and start the car.

The price on each Smt6 with a base file will be $375.00. Once I start duing some DYNO work on different mods, I will be able to import pretuned files according to the mods you have. The price on this, will be $425.00.

I should be doing this very soon as I need to start tuning with fuel and timing.

Thanks T.C.
Next Generation Motorsports
www.nxtgenmotorsports.com

kewl NextGen, but there are still many out there that can't wait, and would like the system now, this will help them get it...

It looks like it about $500 for the unit and around $200 for the software to tune it.

The unit comes with the software, sometimes what the companies do is charge extra for a PRE-MAPPED unit... for example for us 4 cyl. we have a company that is willing to do this for us... :)

well I'm glad I could help :)

This is awsome next gen when you start selling this let us know

Ahhh I think this is what I was reading about in another thread before the site went down.

So if we were to get it now we would have to create fuel maps on our own with tuning and such?

And if we were to wait, nextgen could sell the unit pre-mapped with either basic or custom depending on mods?

Damn this is exactly what I have been looking for...so what R & D still needs to be done?

-Scott

Hey Guys,

The price on each Smt6 with a base file will be $375.00. Once I start duing some DYNO work on different mods, I will be able to import pretuned files according to the mods you have. The price on this, will be $425.00.



Man, nextgen....you are really into tempting people aren't you... :biggrin:

Whoo hoo TC! Just what I want to hear with spring less than 3 months away!
Well there goes the limo for my wedding! Have to give everyone a bus pass I guess :biggrin:

Just so you guys know even a PRE-TUNED unit should be re-tuned when you install it... a pre-tuned unit really only helps to get your car running so you can make it to a shop or until you have money to re-tune... The reason is cause all of you live in different places and everything from weather/elevation/mods/etc. make the difference on how to achieve top performance with your car... even when NEXTGEN sells his unit, remember he lives in Florida, his tuned map might not work as well for someone in NEW HAMPSHIRE or CHICAGO as it would for someone in CALI which is very similar... keep all this in mind... As many of you have seen it with the UNICHIP well it's the same thing...

yeah also dont forget the fuel differences in different regions of the country.

I was thinking the same thing that is why I am interested in just tuning the thing myself really.....there are plenty of Dyno's around me and tuning could be easy to do depending on the programing setup!

I am not sure what the format for programing would be like though....would it be something similar to an SAFC???

now the only good thing is that by calling or emailing that company you might work out a deal to get one with the WIRING DIAGRAM, trust me having it is worth anything...

Yeah Perfect Power emailed me the wiring diagram today. So this is the piggy back you were talking about NextGen.

ibbanez you have a private message, let me know what's up... thanks

Hey, sounds good to me! If NextGen can get one at the price he's mentioning, I'll be all over it when funds provide!

Sign me up!!!

Ok, I'm not familiar with this product so I have a few questions.
This piggy back has user-programmable control for both AFR and ignition timing?
i assume it uses a windows software interface?

TC, you are planning to sell the base unit with an improved timing / ignition map for stock Tibs for @$375 and modification specific programming for @$425?

AFR, too? So this would pretty much supercede the usefulness of your current fuel tuner, right? Or will that still serve a purpose?

Right on! I look at this awhile back when I first got my cams. HAving come to the conclusion that timing may not be able to be modified, I went with the S-AFC fro ease of use. I might be selling that now if TC comes through!

Holy Crap! Is this gonna blast the PowerChip thing out of the water? Price is gonna be competetive with the PowerChip group buy and hopefully Tim can get some serious numbers out of this unit.

Anyone have experience with a unit like this? Hows the install? Is it plug-n-play? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Derek

ok wow this kind of blows my circuits. I am looking into the powerchip right now, but with this coming along then I guess I wouldn't need that right? Also I am not sure exactly how to get this thing and what all I need to get my car done up right. Anyone care to explain this whole thing to us newbies out here?

Well if I understand this unit right, it does everything the REAL and Powerchip does except maybe the increased rev limiter of the REAL and the only other difference is splicing the wires to install rather than using the factory clips. The beauty is that you can adapt your program as you continue to add mods and it could be used with FI just by returning to the stock maps and tuning only the AF. Additionally, depending on the ability to store custom maps I'm willing to bet TC could for a small additional charge sell us 87, 91.94 octane maps for example that you could change depending on your mood or willingness to pay for premium gas. Lots of flexibility.

what if I got this unit and also bought the tuning software? So someone tell me please should I back out of the Powerchip GB? I want the most HP out of my money. What should I get?

If you want something that will work "out of the box" and give you some good pop, not be an obvious warranty buster, etc. go with powerchip. If you are wanting to take the performance to the ultimate limit and have some bucks to spend on dyno time, then buy the piggy back. However, nextgen may offer "out of the box" tunes for the Tib..........if so then you have alot more flexibility with his piggy back when it comes out. You can run it "as is" or play with it when you want to.

hmm aaaaaaaaaaaaah choices. 6 months ago not enough choices now there are too many for my small brain ;-) Can anyone find out TC's (NextGen) timeframe on this? I need to know soon if I should back out of the powerchip buy.

well im guessing this thing isnt self contained?
like would you need a laptop to run it?

also would you be able quick switch over to the other maps if you wanted to run nitrous, for example?

My guess trent, you hook it up, dyno tune it with a computer, disconnect the computer, then leave it like it is. Guys this is the final performance mod you should do. If you plan on doing more mods, you would have to retune it. TC this does do A/F ratio right?

Hey Ron this does the A/F and timing, bud.

OK TC, ill be calling you soon

Hey Bat Lord you have PM waiting.

ron find out about map switching also. can they be stored in this unit and be switchd over readily for like running nitrous?

heres a link to better understanding the unit.
i think this one is beyond my reach. i'm not sure i could trust a shop to set this up right ,unless they definetly had previous experience with this unit.

http://www.perfectpower.com/Downloads/Installation%20Guide.pdf

Alright this is what my view on this is. I have seen the Wiring diagram, and it's completely wrong in terms of the connector and pin outs fromt the ECU side. Also one thing that scares me is that they have this quoted on the spec sheet. "Cranks signal not confirmed yet, Have assumed balanced signal" This is the issue I ran into last yet when I was originally looking at the SMT-6. Without balanced signal the timing will not be able to be advanced. IT also says to me that they didn't really test anything, or use an oscilliscope on the CPS to find out the type of signal it uses. I assume TC will be doing his homework, and hopefulley getting this worked out before he markets it, but I wouldn't get too excited yet. Perfect Power has not done much of anything yet other then give us the functions of their own wiring..

So not quite ready for prime time then? NP. If it can be done I'm sure TC will work out the details. I still have 8 weeks of winter left. lol

Yep, we also just found out that the "wiring diagrams" they have for the 4 cylinders, are wrong, the main reason is cause the specs are EUROPEAN SPECS/AUSTRALIAN SPECS... that might be the same as with the v6 diagram... and we have also found out that they keep claiming that they have installed in on tiburons, but when you challenge them and ask them they "get all pissy" and don't say nothing...

We are doing our own tests on this system, someone has to right... lol

Hell yeah. And good luck with it Bat Lord. I know I get all worked up over nothing. hahahahaha

This seems to be worth the $$ to HP..nice..

Wish I could quit my job and play with goodies like this I would be having the time of my life!

Darn I should have went to school for automotive engineer rather than accounting.

Please keep this thread running I am VERY interested in what is found!

Also, if someone could forward a wiring diagram, I could see for myself what Samba was talking about.

-Scott

Guys,

So far there are no good wiring diagrams that I have found. I have tried everywhere as a developer to get a good copy of a diagram. basiclly you have to be a dev and start from scratch and use the scopes.

I have a copy of the wiring mentioned above and well to tell you I don't think it is correct.

Guys,

So far there are no good wiring diagrams that I have found. I have tried everywhere as a developer to get a good copy of a diagram. basiclly you have to be a dev and start from scratch and use the scopes.

I have a copy of the wiring mentioned above and well to tell you I don't think it is correct.Snowman, welcome to the board. You sound like you will be a great addition to our growing number of reliable sources of technical info. Again, welcome!!!

I can make a wiring diagram for the Tibby no problem. I have the electrical manual, and can easily work the pin outs. That's not the problem. The issue would be we need to have someone with an occiliscope view the Wave form of the Cam and Crank position sensors. This will determine if the SMT-6 will do anything more then AF tunning. Without balanced signal, you can pull timing out, but cannot add it. This is what I was trying to figure out with CNK last year, before he turned crook and ran off with everybody's money.. I hope this doesn't go down the drain like last year!!

Samba,

I've been following this thread with some interest since I couldn't get my SAFC II to work this would be a much better alternative (and effectively free as I've only just got round to sending TC back his cores so I'll have credit to buy it!)

You can put together a PC based oscilloscope for a very small price - I've only just started looking into this but these guys seem good (www.picotech.com (http://www.picotech.com))

With one of those and a laptop with a parrallel port we could easily figure out the sensor signals. By the sounds of it TC may have already started on this stuff anyway.

Cheers,

Custard

I really hope you guys research this well. Perfect Power has had problems in the past with their units, not functioning or quit working while hooked up to our cars. Hopefully they have resolved these issues. It is a question you might want to ask. If they have, and it works properly, you hands on tuners will have a neat tool.

hmmmmmm...... velly interesting..... will keep an eye on this one now also....

I really hope you guys research this well. Perfect Power has had problems in the past with their units, not functioning or quit working while hooked up to our cars. Hopefully they have resolved these issues. It is a question you might want to ask. If they have, and it works properly, you hands on tuners will have a neat tool.


were are you getting this info from?

How does the SMT6 compare to the eManage?

were are you getting this info from?
From an affilitate of Perfect Power, Please note I stated the problems in the past tense. They may have it all figured out already. :)

Here is a thread from a fellow forum, Me, BatLord and A few others have been working on getting the SMT-6 working with all our needs. XtremePC has one installed with good success but as with all things there are still problems. Timing to be one of them. the 7 degree rule so to speak. Also after lots of research it may appear that the cam sensor is only used to start the car (giving cam possition to the ECU itnitially on startup for timing) We are looking into alot of option, but to our supprize, the Tib ECU may be smarter than we thought. It appears it is actually calculating everything on the fly rather than accessing base values like hondas etc. This is why when we make some corrections, the ECU is trying to correct them.

As far as the software, the SMT-6 comes with tuning software, the developers CD is only for a shop (gives you the code to be able to add your logo etc) the software to tune it is included.

Here is the link, I am planning, pending some more info on incorporating it in my setup. But alittle more research is needed.

http://www.hyundaiaftermarket.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=000426