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hammerhead
01-30-2004, 02:44 PM
this is no repost because I found it while doing research for this thread

http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892&page=1&pp=25

http://www.ansi.org/news_publications/news_story.aspx?menuid=7&articleid=540
News Articles

Revised SAE Horsepower Standard to Give Confidence to Consumers

New York October 24, 2003


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According to consumer advocacy groups, many carmakers have joined in a trend of inflating horsepower claims in recent history. To address this issue, the Society for Automotive Engineers (SAE), an ANSI member and accredited standards developer, is revising a standard to verify car manufacturers’ claims for the power of their engines. Adherence to the revised standards will help to give consumers more confidence in their assessment of vehicles that best meet their needs.
Horsepower is defined as work done over time. One horsepower is the amount of power necessary to lift 550 pounds 1 foot in 1 second, or 33,000 lb.ft./minute. In automobiles, torque measures the turning force generated at the wheels. A high horsepower rating generally indicates higher top speeds, while torque signifies a vehicle's acceleration and ability to pull heavy loads.

Automakers can test for horsepower and torque in a variety of ways. SAE J1349 Engine Power Test Code – Spark Ignition and Compression Ignition – Net Power Rating Standard specifies a basis for net engine power rating, and a method for determining net full load engine power with a dynamometer. A dynamometer places a load on the engine and measures the amount of power that the engine can produce against the load.

The current test, which originated in the early '70s and was last reviewed in 1995, allows automakers to claim horsepower and torque figures higher than what most owners will actually experience. The SAE Power Test Code Committee – chaired by David Landcaster, General Motors Corp. engineering group manager – is revising its standard for measuring horsepower and may suggest that automakers have an independent observer verify the numbers they claim for horsepower and torque. The standard will also set a procedure for how to test torque, which is also heavily advertised by car manufacturers.

According to SAE, the revised standard is expected to be written by the end of the year. An SAE advisory committee will then decide whether to adopt the procedure and the use of outside witnesses, such as Underwriters Laboratories Inc., to verify automakers' claims.

Although manufacturers are generally expected to base their horsepower ratings on SAE net power standards, the practice is voluntary and horsepower numbers presented in advertising and brochures aren't always accurate. Jaguar, Hyundai, BMW, Ford and Mazda are among manufacturers that have made exaggerated claims.

TruTrent
01-30-2004, 02:48 PM
yeah we know i already got my $450 refund last january.

hammerhead
01-30-2004, 02:53 PM
yeah we know i already got my $450 refund last january.

yeah I know that :biggrin: but did you know that other, more famous car manufacturers cheated too? and that they had to correct their figures because of that SAE standard? and that there will be a new one? etcetcetc ???

PewpMaster
01-30-2004, 03:02 PM
you can get money because of this??

hammerhead
01-30-2004, 03:04 PM
you can get money because of this??

In case you bought the car before the downrating you might have....

StreetShark
01-30-2004, 03:07 PM
The biggest customer who got the shaft is the rx-8 owners...por bastards...good news for us though!

PewpMaster
01-30-2004, 03:17 PM
In case you bought the car before the downrating you might have....


when was the downrating?

i got my car june '03

Dunn
01-30-2004, 03:19 PM
It was before that. Back in '02 they were saying the Tib was 180 I believe and then revealed it was 170. So if you bought it before.... Xmas '02? You're good. I still need to call on mine.

PewpMaster
01-30-2004, 03:21 PM
i see.. yeah i remember when they were saying it was 180 then it went down to like 170... oh well.. 500 bucks coulda been a good portion of a cat back so it could get up to 180 lol

JackMcNASTY
01-30-2004, 04:13 PM
I was trying to get through a while back and nobody would answer or return my calls.

Dunn
01-30-2004, 04:15 PM
Jack, I thought you were the instigator of the "We want money!" movement and already had yours like a year and a half ago when they first announced.

JackMcNASTY
01-30-2004, 05:57 PM
No, I was persuing litigation but hyundai just stalls and feeds alot of BS. I grew weary of the whole thing and just forgot about it for a long time.

After time, I calmed down and didn't really care too much.

GOFISCH
01-30-2004, 07:27 PM
I received this from a reliable source recently:


Incidently, I spoke with our CARB consultant this morning who said he has
spent the last few month as a expert witness in the horsepower claims debacle
with Hyundai NA. It seems that the mistake came when Hyundai NA used the HP
figures obtained in un-officially tested (no SAE correction) dyno pulls, done
somewhere in Korea??

It is accross every model.

They have been forced to offer huge cash refunds and extentded warranties
to a few people.

I guess this may be another catalyst into why HARD and BSE are wanting
performance parts.

RavensFan
01-30-2004, 07:34 PM
I test drove a V6 back in December, and the idiot salesman tried to tell me that the car had 181hp. ::)

tylerdurden87111
01-30-2004, 07:47 PM
The biggest customer who got the shaft is the rx-8 owners...por bastards...good news for us though!

Why, what's up with that, sounds like a good thing i didnt buy one.

BETA
01-30-2004, 09:38 PM
rx-8 only have 170-177 whp and 129-133 trq that ****ing sucks I would be pissed . >:(

Dopey
01-30-2004, 11:42 PM
rx-8 only have 170-177 whp and 129-133 trq that ****ing sucks I would be pissed . >:(

I thought the manuals are now rated at 230hp and the autos at 198 or something like that?

johnanthony311
01-31-2004, 01:51 AM
can i get money if i purchased my car in july 03'

TruTrent
01-31-2004, 04:10 AM
can i get money if i purchased my car in july 03'
no........

Black2k3Tib
01-31-2004, 06:22 AM
I bought mine Feb '02, who do I call to get money???

STATIC
01-31-2004, 09:47 AM
I remember that but I never got around to calling. I got mine in april '02

STATIC
01-31-2004, 09:51 AM
I test drove a V6 back in December, and the idiot salesman tried to tell me that the car had 181hp. ::)
yeah I had some warranty work done on mine and I decided to go check out the sticker price on a new one to remind myself how I got shafted. A salesman walked up to me started running his mouth and blurted out 181 HP. Of course I laughed a little and corrected his monkey @$$. ::) :biggrin:

Diesel
01-31-2004, 11:45 AM
just wondering for anyone who got a refund, did you also accpet the exteneed warrenty?

tiburondriver47
01-31-2004, 08:51 PM
I got an extended warrenty on my 2002 Santa Fe but was offered nothing or heard nothing about my 2003 Tib i bought in June 03. Interesting.

TruTrent
02-03-2004, 12:50 AM
i believe it was people who bought their tib before Oct. 2002.
i didnt accept the warrenty extensions so i qualified for the cash.
it was to be equal to one car payment not exceeding 450$.

JackMcNASTY
02-03-2004, 01:16 AM
I am gonna call again this week I think.