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Ok I drive a 2003 i4 Tiburon with a CAI. I want to get an entire exhaust but the catback is so damn expensive. I figure for now if i could get some cheap headers off ebay it would do me some good... im not expecting much but it would do at least 2 things for me. Give the exhaust better flow by making the curves in the pipe less ridged and I would be losing 2 catalytic converters... i think? Speaking of that, what are the chances of my check engine light coming on because of the missing cats?
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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

CEL will come on if your missing a cat.

Just don't do it, not enough gains for the i4 to justify the money spent. If you want more power save up for boost.


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If he's going to boost he'll need it later
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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

But there is 3 separate cats on a 03 i4 correct? one where the new header will go right off the engine, one on the down pipe, and one just before the mufflers. so yes im losing two but I will still have one. And if this is true does that mean that everyone with headers is riding around with their light on at all times? As far as the performance goes, im doing this for two reasons, clean up the look of the engine as well as performance but they are equally important to me
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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

I would like to boost eventually but I have no where near the money to do that now. I plan on eventually getting another tib for a daily driver and keeping this for a 1/4 mile / show car. But that could be another ten years from now until that is done
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If he's going to boost he'll need it later
no he wont, the header is replaced by the turbo manifold.


and hey i noticed taht your from dixion im from rochelle, 20 mins east of you


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no he wont, the header is replaced by the turbo manifold.


and hey i noticed taht your from dixion im from rochelle, 20 mins east of you
ok korndog you keep finding every wrong thing i say about turbos i shall keep my mouth shut from now on....


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no he wont, the header is replaced by the turbo manifold.


and hey i noticed taht your from dixion im from rochelle, 20 mins east of you

oh **** man, would you let me check out your car sometime?
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ok korndog you keep finding every wrong thing i say about turbos i shall keep my mouth shut from now on....
hey we all have to learn a little at a time, i dont blame ya, i was new to this stuff at one point to


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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

I have the Megan Racing 4-1 equal-length header and it only cost me $335.00 after everything. This header eliminates only 1 catalytic converter--the primary one closest to the engine. If you go with the Ark header, however, you'll lose both and you'll have to weld your OEM one back on or an aftermarket one.

To get rid of the CEL issue, all you need is to add a CEL eliminator plug to your secondary oxygen sensor (located underneath the car).

If you want to get an idea of how the i4 header installs and to get ridof the CEL issue, check out my DIY in the DIY section or my Member Profile (in my sig).

WIth my CAI, header, and exhaust combo, I gained ~25whp & torque. That's a gain you can definitely notice.


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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

^^^ what optimummind said.

As long as you have a CEL eliminator ( I think like 25 bucks from ARK) you wont have a CEL. I have the ARK I4 header w/CEL eliminator and a test pipe (No primary Cat) and Ive been running like that for about 2 months now. Its pretty noisy but the performance is pretty noticeable.
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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

I drove for sometime with header+stock catback, little gain is in there, but it would not unleash all possible gain from I/H. I suggest spending few hundred $ more for a decent aftermarket catback.


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But there is 3 separate cats on a 03 i4 correct? one where the new header will go right off the engine, one on the down pipe, and one just before the mufflers. so yes im losing two but I will still have one. And if this is true does that mean that everyone with headers is riding around with their light on at all times? As far as the performance goes, im doing this for two reasons, clean up the look of the engine as well as performance but they are equally important to me
Here's the deal. As someone who drove around for about 1 year with I/H on stock catback, I can tell you that it def changes the sound, and pulled a Tiny bit harder, but not much. The
i4 has two cats, not three. That is the resonator right before the mufflers. In my experience cel eliminators are crap (never tried ARK though). My advice to you would be, buy a quality header ie, shark, megan, or ARK if you can afford. Have a magnaflow cat welded into the testpipe, relocate the secondary o2 behind the cat, and extend the primary o2 by pulling it out of the wire loom (Never cut the primary o2 sensor wires!) This way you will get rid of the rasp, will be street legal, and have no CEL! If I were to do it all again, I would have bought a better header, and installed catback right away. Stay away from ebay knockoffs, OBX isn't too bad but fitment was a huge issue ( the studs didn't line with the holes on the header, and the test pipe is about 2.5" too short) . Also the diameter of the runners on the OBX is a little smaller than on other headers. Hope this helps, sorry for the long reply!


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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

Well, both my friend and I cut the primary oxygen sensor wire (car's wiring, not the sensor's wiring) so the sensor can reach the oxygen sensor bung and we have no problems. My car's been that way since May of 2008 and my friend, since 2-3 months ago. If you're gonna cut, just don't cut the actual sensor's wiring--cut the wire from the car side. And take it to a pro, like we did, or you might have CEL issues.


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Well, both my friend and I cut the primary oxygen sensor wire (car's wiring, not the sensor's wiring) so the sensor can reach the oxygen sensor bung and we have no problems. My car's been that way since May of 2008 and my friend, since 2-3 months ago. If you're gonna cut, just don't cut the actual sensor's wiring--cut the wire from the car side. And take it to a pro, like we did, or you might have CEL issues.
I know it is possible to run like this, if you do the splices properly, and have the proper guage wire! Key words being spliced properly! lol But the problem is not everyone knows how to do that, and if you just hack the wires twist and tape them there might be problems. You did it the right way, by having it done professionally. I just pulled the wire out of the loom, which was a pita, but when I was done there was enough slack to drop the sensor below the engine and plug it in to the collector, and no splicing! Thats why I always caution people to not cut the primary o2 wires.


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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

For how little it will gain it would be better to just save for a turbo. But if thats a long way off and you just want something to do for now then go for it. Why not get a used cat back or go with a simple custom setup. It will give you whatever sound you want (within reason) and not cost much. No messing around with cats either.
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CEL will come on if your missing a cat.

Just don't do it, not enough gains for the i4 to justify the money spent. If you want more power save up for boost.
i has a v6
when i installed my headers with a test pipe(aka no cat)
i didn't get a cell

your explanation?

mine because all the o2 sensors are before the cat delete.
hence why i wouldn't get a cel.

edit: it will really sound like crap if you buy an ebay cat back with headers.
you need a dc sports exhaust.


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you will get a cel from the header and if u do go the header + catback route, add in a second hi flow cat, or atleast a resonator unless u want to be loud and sould like crap for the most part.

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But there is 3 separate cats on a 03 i4 correct? one where the new header will go right off the engine, one on the down pipe, and one just before the mufflers. so yes im losing two but I will still have one. And if this is true does that mean that everyone with headers is riding around with their light on at all times? As far as the performance goes, im doing this for two reasons, clean up the look of the engine as well as performance but they are equally important to me
the one before the muffler is a resonator, 2 cats only

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Re: Headers Pros and Cons with stock catback

quick question... do most people have a spot to put the first 02 sensor (just before the first cat right next to the enging) on the header? The pic I have of the header I ordered doesn't look like there is a spot for one.
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quick question... do most people have a spot to put the first 02 sensor (just before the first cat right next to the enging) on the header? The pic I have of the header I ordered doesn't look like there is a spot for one.
you have to get an o2 bung welded on

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any idea on how much that would cost?
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quick question... do most people have a spot to put the first 02 sensor (just before the first cat right next to the enging) on the header? The pic I have of the header I ordered doesn't look like there is a spot for one.
Some headers have a spot for the oxygen sensor where you're referring to but most have a spot for the sensor on the bottom portion of the header where the collector piping is. And for the most optimal reading of your oxygen content, you want to plug the first oxygen sensor at the collector spot even though it's more out of the way and you may need to extend your oxygen sensor's wiring.

The i4 R-Spec header has two spots for the first oxygen sensor--one near the top (where the OEM spot used to be) and one on the bottom at the collector. When we did the install for my friend's Tibby, we plugged up the top sensor hole with an exhaust plug and plugged in the oxygen sensor to the collector bung after extension of the wiring.


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Ok i had a local shop weld on the 02 sensor bung which ran me $45 if anyone was wondering... after slight modifications to the header ( had to grind down a corner by about 1/8th of an inch I finally got it on. It took about 8 hours because of the rust but it sounds great and I would recomend the ebay header from TimeReaction. Its actually a header that sells for $400 from JVT Racing. ps its throwing a cel so i need a cel eliminator.
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But there is 3 separate cats on a 03 i4 correct? one where the new header will go right off the engine, one on the down pipe, and one just before the mufflers. so yes im losing two but I will still have one. And if this is true does that mean that everyone with headers is riding around with their light on at all times? As far as the performance goes, im doing this for two reasons, clean up the look of the engine as well as performance but they are equally important to me
I have a a 2008 i4 and actually you have 2 cat and 1 resonator. That thing you said is before the muffler is the resonator just google search and will know what is a resonator and his work.
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