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Old Twin Disc Clutch 06-16-2009 , 11:32 PM

since its pretty new and not much info on the twin disc im going to put together a DIY with some info thats not really out there............sticky?

here is a few pics of the twin disc and flywheel:






here are some pictures compairing the twin disc to the spec stage 5 and spec/fedanza i took out:

look how much smaller and lighter the NGM flywheel is compared to the other "lightweight" flywheel





i did my clutch swap with pulling the motor and tranny together
after seperating the tranny remove old clutch and flywheel and bolt on new flywheel, TQ to specs for your car.
spray down the flywheel with brake and parts cleaner very well and wipe clean with NEW white lint free towel. and dont touch it with anything again
spray all parts of the new clutch,both sides of both disc's, wipe down with another NEW lint free white towel.either get some new loves or use other new lint free towels to handle all the parts, reassemble clutch disc's and pressure plate and bolt to the the flywheel
be sure to have both discs lined up before bolting down the pressure plate
i had a hard time getting them to line up even with my alining tool. ended up i just used my finger so i could feel both discs and when right together.
if you have an alining tool it should freely slide through both discs with zero binding at all or the tranny will not slide on fully
TQ to specs , i did 20 FT pounds
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old spec 5 for referance


now to the transmission........
remove the 3 bolts and factory bearing cup

use factory bolts and bolt on the new throw out bearing


run both supplied braide lies out of the old fork hole used for the factory clutch




bolt everything back together the reinstall.
one of the braided lines is for bleeding the system


after bleeding i just ziptied it down


the other line comes with needed adaptor and conects to the existing clutch line just like factory


go drive it and have fun

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Old Re: smebyspeeds twin disc DIY 06-17-2009 , 12:04 AM

So is this NGM's twin disk clutch?


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Old Re: smebyspeeds twin disc DIY 06-17-2009 , 06:48 AM

yeapers

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Old Re: smebyspeeds twin disc DIY 11-24-2009 , 09:53 PM

Great info here, thanks for all the pics and comparisons.

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Old Re: DIY: Twin Disc Clutch 11-21-2010 , 01:53 PM

the twin disk she`s a beuty, my stock clutch is near toasted will need a new one very soon.
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Old Re: DIY: Twin Disc Clutch 02-24-2011 , 10:07 AM

i cant find what the torque specs for my car. I have the 2005 GS. I have the 9.6 pound flywheel. i need the torque specs for it lol.idk anything about clutches at all
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Old Re: DIY: Twin Disc Clutch 04-27-2012 , 01:41 PM

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i cant find what the torque specs for my car. I have the 2005 GS. I have the 9.6 pound flywheel. i need the torque specs for it lol.idk anything about clutches at all
Here you go!!

Clutch pedal free play
6~13 mm (0.24~0.52 in.)

TIGHTENING TORQUE
Item - lb·ft
Clutch pedal to pedal support member
(Clutch pedal bracket) 14~20
Clutch pedal support member to master cylinder 6~7
Clutch tube flare nut 9~13
Clutch tube bracket 3~4
Reservoir band 9~13
Clutch release cylinder 11~16
Clutch release cylinder union bolt 15~18

Clutch cover assembly
Single mass flywheel 11~16
Dual mass flywheel 14~19

Apply multipurpose grease to the release bearing contact surfaces and the release cylinder contact surface of the clutch release fork assembly.
Apply multipurpose grease into the groove of the release bearing.
Apply multipurpose grease to the clutch release lever fulcrum contact surface of the clutch release fork assembly.
Clean the surfaces of the flywheel and pressure plate thoroughly with fine sandpaper or crocus cloth, and make certain that all oil or grease has been removed.
Apply a small amount of multipurpose grease to the clutch disc splines and input shaft splines.

But! Do not apply more grease than necessary. Too much grease could cause clutch slip or judder.
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Old Re: DIY: Twin Disc Clutch 01-23-2013 , 06:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKoC...e_gdata_player
Could you guys help me out, is it normal to have free,play on the flywheel?
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Old Re: DIY: Twin Disc Clutch 01-28-2013 , 08:31 PM

I Was burning thru clutches in my cobra; spec3 and centerforce hd lasted the longest ; the puck style clutch lasted a month,, piece of junk and grabby. Finally dumped the cash for a twin disk and it was the best choice I ever made.
I was given the choice of a metal or plastic insert; I think I went metal and had no noise issues.
Very streeatable and hooked extremely well. No chirping TOB after 3 months either.
Think it was a centerforce twin disk. Who is making the twin disk for tiburon?
How much are you spraying? Factory pistons?

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Old Re: DIY: Twin Disc Clutch 10-19-2013 , 02:52 PM

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Could you guys help me out, is it normal to have free,play on the flywheel?
Since nobody answered your question about free play on the flywheel, I just want to give you my observation.

It looks like you have a dual mass flywheel which is usually to smaller flywheels connected with springs in between.

I'm not sure if there should be free play, but I wouldn't think so. The springs are made to absorb the vibrations that travel from the engine to the input shaft that goes into the transmission.

I would recommend your place that flywheel with either another dual mass flywheel of OEM specification, or you replace it with an aftermarket lightweight flywheel.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-08-2013 , 11:33 PM

I think the twin disk is a product of NGM, but you can get one from several manufacturers.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 11:40 AM

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I think the twin disk is a product of NGM, but you can get one from several manufacturers.
The twin disk is NGM and you can't get it anywhere else including NGM.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 04:29 PM

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The twin disk is NGM and you can't get it anywhere else including NGM.
There are several companies that make twin disk setups. You will have to talk to them about your specific vehicle.

For example, my SPEC clutch disk was custom made for my vehicles input shaft.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 06:01 PM

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There are several companies that make twin disk setups. You will have to talk to them about your specific vehicle.

For example, my SPEC clutch disk was custom made for my vehicles input shaft.
That's great that you can get a twin for another car. You can't for a tiburon regardless of who you call. Perhaps trust someone with more experience.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 06:09 PM

We don't have to get a clutch for the "tiburon", per se. Only for the specific transmission we're running.

I have a 6 speed which uses the MFA60 transmission. This specific tranny is in a multitude of cars.

Clutches aren't car specific. They're tranny specific.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 06:12 PM

I meant to say "I have a 2006 6-speed"*
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 06:25 PM

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I meant to say "I have a 2006 6-speed"*
Yes, but you're spec is not a twin disk and making a twin for a car vs. a single is another monster.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-09-2013 , 06:48 PM

I know. I didn't say my spec was. I was saying that twin disk clutches are made for other vehicles that use my transmission.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-10-2013 , 08:26 AM

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I know. I didn't say my spec was. I was saying that twin disk clutches are made for other vehicles that use my transmission.
Once again that means nothing. They won't fit the tib and the company won't modify it to fit the tib so don't post up saying plenty of twins are available just call the company. I have a twin and prior to that called every major clutch company and offered them whatever money they wanted to build me a twin. Everybody said no except clutch masters who promised me they had built a couple for the tib prior. I payed and 4 months later they came back and said they can't make it fit. This was when the tib was actually popular and had an aftermarket. Not a chance in hell these days.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-11-2013 , 12:12 AM

WoW! Umm.. chill, it's only a clutch.

You totally misunderstood my comment, I said call companies that make twins and see if the have one that will fit a MFA60, because Tibs are not the only car that uses them.

Next time, call Excedy. Looks like them manufacture them for many cars. They may have one that fits.

As a matter o fact, I'll do it tomorrow, just outta curiosity. I'll report back what they say.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-11-2013 , 09:21 AM

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WoW! Umm.. chill, it's only a clutch.

You totally misunderstood my comment, I said call companies that make twins and see if the have one that will fit a MFA60, because Tibs are not the only car that uses them.

Next time, call Excedy. Looks like them manufacture them for many cars. They may have one that fits.

As a matter o fact, I'll do it tomorrow, just outta curiosity. I'll report back what they say.
K. Make sure you tell them you want a custom flywheel and custom TOB with that. And tell them you just wanna order 1. cheers.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-11-2013 , 01:57 PM

OK. So according to the company that bought NGM, Clutchmasters, and Exedy, the clutch depends on the TRANSMISSION and ENGINE combination. Not the vehicle.

However, without regards to your childish and snippy attitude, the new owners of NGM told me they can still get twin disk clutches. You were wrong in your statement that they're gone.

So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-11-2013 , 02:54 PM

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OK. So according to the company that bought NGM, Clutchmasters, and Exedy, the clutch depends on the TRANSMISSION and ENGINE combination. Not the vehicle.

However, without regards to your childish and snippy attitude, the new owners of NGM told me they can still get twin disk clutches. You were wrong in your statement that they're gone.

So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Thank and Have a nice day **in an Indian voice**
No kidding the clutch depends on the engine and transmission to properly mate. So you think the years it took for the Tib community to get NGM to produce a custom clutch we never had the bright idea to see if there was another application that would fit? Thanks for the enlightenment. As for NGM/Fiebruz they are essentially the same. Multiple people tried to get a twin disk in the past and never could (Mayom) so I doubt they have extra clutches laying around. Did they also have the custom throw out bearing on the shelf? Interesting how so many people want this clutch but none can get it. Sorry bud, they told you they have them (just like CM told me) believe you when it's at your door.
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-11-2013 , 02:58 PM

Also, the clutch isn't hard to get. It's in stock at powertrain. The custom cut flywheels and throw out bearings were the limited pieces so yeah technically they probably can get you a "clutch."
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Old Re: Twin Disc Clutch 11-11-2013 , 03:06 PM

And for the good of the community please post the year and name of a vehicle that has the 2.7l delta with our 6 speed transmission and compatible twin disk clutch, fw, and throw out bearing so people can buy them. Thanks.
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