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New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

I have the VHR clutch and flywheel kit that Seoulful Racing offered a few years ago and need to replace the clutch. I know there are some VHR clutches that are available for the car w/o the flywheel.

My question: will the clutch kits from VHR (one without a flywheel) work with my solid VHR flywheel?

For example, will this clutch work with the flywheel I have?
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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

most flywheels and clutches are OEM replacements...meaning they can bolt on to the OEM clutch or flywheel. I don't know that VHR would be any different.


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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

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most flywheels and clutches are OEM replacements...meaning they can bolt on to the OEM clutch or flywheel. I don't know that VHR would be any different.

It was my understanding that clutches for dual mass flywheels would not work with a solid flywheel - which is what I have. I may be wrong on this, but I would hate to make that mistake from not having all of the facts.
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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

if you have a solid flywheel you will want a sprung clutch.
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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

you're probably going to have to talk to SFR and have them import you another clutch disk. from what i understand, mixin and matching parts is not possible with these kits...

although KDMGUY is probably the only one that knows for sure....

I believe he stopped selling that VHR kit for our cars, i think i heard the story was that Valeo jacked the price up to a point where it didnt make sense to sell in the U.S. anymore.

i guess i'll have to buy another friction disk/clutch kit now (before its not available at all) if it turns out that you can't bolt a clutchmaster kit to the VHR flywheel.

EDIT: I found this, but no price listed. Jay Kim probably = KDMGUY

http://seoulfulracing.en.ecplaza.net...43-579938.html

at least they're available.....

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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

The flywheel wont work for anything except the VHR clutch. You'll have to machine the step for it and you may be limited to how many times it can be done.


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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

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I have the VHR clutch and flywheel kit that Seoulful Racing offered a few years ago and need to replace the clutch. I know there are some VHR clutches that are available for the car w/o the flywheel.

My question: will the clutch kits from VHR (one without a flywheel) work with my solid VHR flywheel?

For example, will this clutch work with the flywheel I have?
http://tinyurl.com/6uhn482

Thanks.
That VHR was my first aftermarket clutch. I bought it on a Real Engineering GB. I was not impressed with it in the least bit and it because it slipped, chattered, and went out in less than a year.
Seriously, your best bet is to throw the whole thing out and start over with a clutch and flywheel from a reputable company.
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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

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That VHR was my first aftermarket clutch. I bought it on a Real Engineering GB. I was not impressed with it in the least bit and it because it slipped, chattered, and went out in less than a year.
Seriously, your best bet is to throw the whole thing out and start over with a clutch and flywheel from a reputable company.
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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

mine is FAR too grabby to be advertised for stock vehicles and catches REALLY late, but its lasted me like 2 years/ 20K miles now and no problems.

but the OP may have to start over again not because the clutch is garbage, but because you can't source replacement parts.

I made a post in the SFR "support our sponsors" section directing Jay to this forum, as he's probably the only source for definitive answers to both the OP and my questions, not simply conjecture and personal opinions of the kit itself.

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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

Wow, that sucks, gotta run a specific clutch disc with a specific flywheel? Don't know what they cost but it's real expensive now! I don't feel too bad spending money on my Fidanza and South Bend especially since they work well everyday.

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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

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mine is FAR too grabby to be advertised for stock vehicles and catches REALLY late, but its lasted me like 2 years/ 20K miles now and no problems.

but the OP may have to start over again not because the clutch is garbage, but because you can't source replacement parts.

I made a post in the SFR "support our sponsors" section directing Jay to this forum, as he's probably the only source for definitive answers to both the OP and my questions, not simply conjecture and personal opinions of the kit itself.
I'm glad yours is working out for you, and I hate to stir things up, but I am still a little annoyed by my personal experience with the VHR clutch kit, and I don't appreciate my statements being written off as conjecture.

First, let me point out the fact that severe grabbiness and a very late engagement are indeed clutch problems. As a professional auto tech, if I'd installed one of these clutches for a customer, and that's the way it behaved, I'd likely get stuck doing the job again. If it were on my own vehicle, and I ruled out installer error, I'd be defecting out that clutch.

I believe that I posted up about this issue at length, years ago. My clutch never really worked properly, and slipped and chattered throughout it's short 14,000 mile life. When I removed it, one side of the disc was worn all the way to the rivets, while the other still looked good. Thinking a weak pressure plate was the culprit, I turned the VHR flywheel, and attempted to use it with a Clutchmasters FX500 clutch kit. The pressure plate was very different (specifically, the flange had a different reach), and after looking at several different aftermarket and OE clutches, I determined that the VHR pressure plate and flywheel are specific to one another. I threw out the VHR, bought a Fidanza, and never looked back.

Now, the OP may be able to buy just a clutch disc somewhere and use it with the existing VHR pressure plate and flywheel, but I don't know why they'd want to do that since the VHR pressure plate is crap. Some people have gotten somewhat lucky with them, but it's a crappy, unreliable clutch kit with hokey engineering and made of cheap materials.

I don't know Jay and I've never dealt with SFR, but I think if they really knew the VHR clutch, they probably wouldn't carry it. There are far better choices out there.
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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

i dont intend to "write off" your comments, i just didn't want this thread to end up a "bash the VHR kit" thread, where no answers ever come in the wake of discussion of the clutch kit's merits and shortcomings.

that is all.

plus, your original comment belied the wealth of first-hand knowledge on the OP's question....

now, with my personal experience, the chatter and such i chalked up as to the design, i had no idea that it was a 4-puck when i bought it. SFR and others advertised it for "stock to 350" horsepower levels, and i guess i fell for the marketing. but with that kind of clutch design and material, its not suprising there's some chatter.

the late catching, still dont know. but im not taking it apart to find out.

there is another option for the OP, which is to source and buy another valeo clutch and pressure plate. or, as you said, source another entire clutch/flywheel kit.

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Re: New VHR clutch kit with existing VHR solid flywheel?

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i dont intend to "write off" your comments, i just didn't want this thread to end up a "bash the VHR kit" thread, where no answers ever come in the wake of discussion of the clutch kit's merits and shortcomings.

that is all.

plus, your original comment belied the wealth of first-hand knowledge on the OP's question....

now, with my personal experience, the chatter and such i chalked up as to the design, i had no idea that it was a 4-puck when i bought it. SFR and others advertised it for "stock to 350" horsepower levels, and i guess i fell for the marketing. but with that kind of clutch design and material, its not suprising there's some chatter.

the late catching, still dont know. but im not taking it apart to find out.

there is another option for the OP, which is to source and buy another valeo clutch and pressure plate. or, as you said, source another entire clutch/flywheel kit.
I understand; I just kept my original comments brief as to avoid ranting about it. But yes, I did approach the situation analytically, mostly because I really didn't want to go to an aluminum flywheel, and the VHR was the only steel flywheel on the market at the time.

FYI, I was told my VHR would hold up to 400 whp, but I could easily slip it at 260 whp, despite my having installed and broken it in "by the book".

I just looked at the ultrarev site, and they list half a dozen ACT clutches and flywheels for far less than I paid for my original VHR.

I went from the VHR to a Clutchmasters FX500 and Fidanza, and the performance difference was unbelievable. Also, CM reconfigures the pressure plate springs to give more clamping force while actually dropping pedal effort. While the unsprung 4 puck stage 5 setup I'm running may be a bit much for the street, the 6 puck sprung stage 4 clutch I installed in a friends a car was quite a bit more civilized, and more driveable than my VHR was.

Those of us who bought the VHR got took...all there is to it.
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