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#61 ·
adeihl said:
hey man.... isnt this the shop that put the condom in your charge pipe? I would go to another shop.
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#63 ·
dvanderk said:
NEWS:


Ok guys I took the car out again... went to get some groceries etc. and i decided to gun it once more to see if I can see any smoke.

Well I did when i let on the gas up to about 50mph and when smoke kinda puffed out I quickly pulled over. I looked at the motor when i opened the hood and I saw that the crank case vent (from where the PCV was plugged into, was sending the same smoke out that the mufflers were shooting out... was a very fine mist, so this means what? Does this deffinately point to a blown head gasket, or damaged ring?
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You are not making any sense when you say "I looked at the motor when i opened the hood and I saw that the crank case vent (from where the PCV was plugged into, was sending the same smoke out that the mufflers were shooting out".

FIRST, you NEED to understand that the crank case vent (Breather) is NOT the same as the PCV valve. The PCV valve is a little device with a ball bearing in it that allows air pressure and oil fumes to be recirculated into the intake tract under vacuum. The crank case vent (breather) allows FRESH air to circulate through the engine. So when you are under vacuum the PCV valve opens allowing the engine to suck 'dirty' air into the intake tract and fresh air through the breather port. If you block off either part of the system it stops working the way it should. Its like trying to suck through a straw with your finger on the end of it. It doesn't work. Take your finger off and you can suck air through. If you don't have any vacuum source connected to the PCV valve it won't open forcing the 'dirty' air to find the weakest link in the system and possibly end up in the combustion chamber producing smoke.
 
Discussion starter · #64 ·
I know the pcv valve was venting the smoke, im sorry I didnt state my wording correctly... :-(

Anyways the shop confirmed its a blown head gasket, because there is traces of oil in my coolent. The oil is fine, no contamination. Taking the head off this weekend, and will order the new pistons monday once we confirm that there is no damage of any kind of the cylinder walls. Most likely there isnt, but I just want to check to confirm.
 
#65 ·
dvanderk said:
That makes no sense he just bolted the turbo on, did the piping and worked on taping the block and oil pan had nothing to do with my my motor blew.
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you jus proved that you AND the shop that worked on your car have no idea what either of you guys are doing......... :3_winkthu
 
Discussion starter · #66 ·
Hyundai wants $49.95 for each piston including rings. If there that cheap, i most certrainly dont trust them now after using them when it comes to quality. I want to know the enforcement and durability is there for long term use because i know for a fact ironcast pistons will crack overtime. With the ROSS forged pistons its 300% percent stronger. I know im making the right move. I cant wait for the final results.

Also hyundai told me that you dont have to buy brand new head bolts if there condition is good because they have 4 elantra's that were being serviced and they re-used the head bolts because there in good condition.
 
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nisco said:
you jus proved that you AND the shop that worked on your car have no idea what either of you guys are doing......... :3_winkthu
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excuse me but reflections bolted the turbo on, did the oil pan mod, did all the lines, chargepiping, exhaust etc.

I had a speciality shop known as A&B do all my electronics including the new injector harness, msd dis2, safc etc. sense im not the most skilled sodderer, yet I work at radioshack and I should be lol.

BUT everyone did a superb jon on my car, the fact that I detonated because my 02's brought back my fuel because the ecu took the smoke as smog and the enviromental system of the ecu module pulled the fuel back. It did only damage to my gasket, everything else is fine.

Im not here to compete with who knows more, my car was very well put together and handeled boost fine. The unforunate event of my turbo oil seals giving is indeed a lesson to why you need to break in your seals with regular oil. My car has proven a lot, and im tired of the flammings its recieved. I have a full successful turbo setup, and not many ppl on these boards have one for the i4.

Im proud of the work, and its just a "bump on the road." I have strong determination to get my car to where i want, Some of us get good luck, some of us get bad luck, and I refuse to give in and quit no matter what problem is presented before me.
 
#69 ·
dvanderk said:
BUT everyone did a superb jon on my car, the fact that I detonated because my 02's brought back my fuel because the ecu took the smoke as smog and the enviromental system of the ecu module pulled the fuel back. It did only damage to my gasket, everything else is fine.

Im not here to compete with who knows more, my car was very well put together and handeled boost fine. The unforunate event of my turbo oil seals giving is indeed a lesson to why you need to break in your seals with regular oil. My car has proven a lot, and im tired of the flammings its recieved. I have a full successful turbo setup, and not many ppl on these boards have one for the i4.
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Yeah.... because O2 sensors have the ability to cut out that much fuel... Couldn't have been anything like the fact that your car was never properly tuned...

And your car definately handled that 6PSI of boost well... I mean it ran for a whole month before you had to rebuild it... If you call that a success, what's a failure?

I'm sorry, but you have nowhere near the technical knowledge to argue about your turbo setup... Take it to a real shop, throw them some money, and have them build it tune it and write it off as being done before you get your hands on it... The fact that you drove it around while it had all these problems pretty much proves that you aren't even responsible enough to own a custom turbocharged car...

And BTW... maybe you should consider listening to the people that actually HAVE a successful turbo setup instead of trying to argue with them...

Good luck...
 
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WarpedMedia said:
Yeah.... because O2 sensors have the ability to cut out that much fuel... Couldn't have been anything like the fact that your car was never properly tuned...

And your car definately handled that 6PSI of boost well... I mean it ran for a whole month before you had to rebuild it... If you call that a success, what's a failure?

I'm sorry, but you have nowhere near the technical knowledge to argue about your turbo setup... Take it to a real shop, throw them some money, and have them build it tune it and write it off as being done before you get your hands on it... The fact that you drove it around while it had all these problems pretty much proves that you aren't even responsible enough to own a custom turbocharged car...

And BTW... maybe you should consider listening to the people that actually HAVE a successful turbo setup instead of trying to argue with them...

Good luck...
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I understand your points but all im asking is to stop speaking to me in such an aggressive manner. I know you all mean well, its just im asking for all of us to get along.
 
#72 ·
Exactly how does an O2 sensor detect 'smog' as you say? An oxygen sensor detects Oxygen, hince why its called an Oxygen Sensor. Read the below link to understand how an Oxygen
sensor works.

How an oxygen sensor works

Derek, I'm not trying to bash you or your efforts but you really need to sit down and do your homework. I, amongst others, have told you time and again what you need to do. I'm not sure if your not understanding what we're saying or if it just goes in one ear and out the other.
I also believe that the shops your going to are seeing big dollar signs when you walk up and are feeding you a line of BS to get your business. If the one shop that re-installed your head gasket without replacing your gasket and head bolts then they should be held liable for the damage. Chances are your OEM pistons and rods are fine if you just had a minor gasket leak. No need to go spend a bunch of your Mom's money getting forged internals.
A better way to spend her money is to get your current head gasket issue fixed, for free, and use the money you were going to spend on expensive pistons to buy a spare engine and tear it apart for learning experience. A lot of the reason people are ripping on you is because you are blowing engines out of shear incompetence. Be it incompetence of you or your shop, its still incompetence. Buy the OEM repair manual and an engine and start learning! Once you've learned the in and outs of an internal combustion engine people on this board will start to respect your posts more.
 
#73 ·
dmdicks said:
Exactly how does an O2 sensor detect 'smog' as you say? An oxygen sensor detects Oxygen, hince why its called an Oxygen Sensor. Read the below link to understand how an Oxygen
sensor works.

How an oxygen sensor works

Derek, I'm not trying to bash you or your efforts but you really need to sit down and do your homework. I, amongst others, have told you time and again what you need to do. I'm not sure if your not understanding what we're saying or if it just goes in one ear and out the other.
I also believe that the shops your going to are seeing big dollar signs when you walk up and are feeding you a line of BS to get your business. If the one shop that re-installed your head gasket without replacing your gasket and head bolts then they should be held liable for the damage. Chances are your OEM pistons and rods are fine if you just had a minor gasket leak. No need to go spend a bunch of your Mom's money getting forged internals.
A better way to spend her money is to get your current head gasket issue fixed, for free, and use the money you were going to spend on expensive pistons to buy a spare engine and tear it apart for learning experience. A lot of the reason people are ripping on you is because you are blowing engines out of shear incompetence. Be it incompetence of you or your shop, its still incompetence. Buy the OEM repair manual and an engine and start learning! Once you've learned the in and outs of an internal combustion engine people on this board will start to respect your posts more.
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:3_puhbye: :3_winkthu :2_eek: :m_censore :m_dunce: :m_BangHea
burned...

And yes, when you go to any shop spitting half the garbage you spit out, they'll look at you and see the green... Like I said I know most of the respectful shops and the only way I got deals like... my engine bored out for $50 and my crankshaft turned and knife edged for less than $70 and a bunch of other **** I got close to nothing is because I went in the shop like I owned it... with the attitude of I knew what I was talking about (even though sometimes I didn't and still don't...)~

Just like my clutch install I just had done... guy tried to talk to me about all these extra charges... I've done my own clutch install twice... didn't have time to do it this time... I got about $400 knocked off my bill at the shop cause the guy knew he wasn't fooling me... Tampa area mechanics are vastly known for being great at ripping you off... which dumb young kids are the best dollar signs... Though when some people try to help you out AND you don't repay them *COUGH, Tim, COUGH* I find that to be wrong. (all I'm saying on that matter)

btw, spare engines are cheap, I got one shipped here for less than $400, hehe... my purty spare.
 
#74 ·
One thing you need to learn dude... is that most mechanics in a normal dealership usually have trouble telling their ***** from holes in the ground. My shop installed a buddies clutch completely backwards even though it was labelled, then they tried blaming it on his driving... He's still trying to get his money back since he ended up having to get it towed to another shop to fix (a good shop that did it perfectly).

They tried blaming one of the several O2 sensors I have gone through on me taking my engine plastic covers off... That was just ****ing hilarious.
 
Discussion starter · #77 ·
Gona bring the head to a machine shop to mill it very very slight to ensure no warpage at all has accured, because you cant tell just by looking at it. The shop is explaining to full process to me, and wow this is deffinately a big job coming ahead when the pistons come in.
 
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