big waste of money and time if you ask me.

1. where are you going to fill it up
2. spend the money you saved by not buying it and spending it on gas
3. your mileage wont improve as much as you think

 

1.There are h2 stations already, but only about 64 nationwide currently operational, with another 30 currently planned. Also, you can buy hydrogen from a place that supplies gas for welders.
2. H2 is going to be cheaper to run than gasoline and produce 0 emissions.
3. I am not trying to increase my mileage, I am trying to find an alternative to paying $4+ at the pump for gasoline. Hydrogen also has an octane rating of 130+ and once more of a demand is there hydrogen can be sold under $2 a gal taxed (untaxed at the moment) which is 2x cheaper than gasoline at the moment.

 

I have about that many E85 stations in the metro area and you have to travel a good distance from one to another in order to fill up ..... have fun with finding fuel. California has the most at 13 pilot stations run by utilities and car makers.

Remember that hydrogen in its current production form is produced almost entirely from hydrocarbons and more specifically natural gas. As more and more dependency goes onto natural gas (which is already a volatile commodity) the price for hydrogen will follow. Advances in electrolysis for production need to be addressed in order to produce cheap and clean hydrogen however as explained before in many posts - the electricity used to make the hydrogen is far more valuable that the actual hydrogen itself (EV's/batteries).

In regards to cost, here are the price breakdowns for the actual real dollar cost for hydrogen as the price varies depending on how its produced per Kilo:

Price is by GGE (Gallons of Gasoline Equivalent)

$3.00 per GGE via natural gas production (accounts for roughly 95% of all hydrogen).
$2.50 per GGE via nuclear.
$9.50 per GGE via solar.
$3.00 per GGE via wind.
$1.90 per GGE via biomass.
$1 per GGE via coal.

Keep in mind that all options besides coal/natural gas will be very difficult and costly to implement on a large scale thus leaving hydrogen as an unfeasible solution based on the current science/production/use.

 

if i'm not mistaken, those hydrogen conversion kits uses water...i saw a thing on tv about it. some new design. i'll post it when i find it again

NOTE: I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS ITEM OR SAYING IT IS BAD. I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THIS TRULY WORKS OR NOT.

 

ok so this is from the manufacturer of the system that had previously sent me some info

So what does the Hydrogen Boost do? It's not magic, it's SCIENCE. You fill the system up with Water and the Hydrogen Boost separates the Hydrogen from the Water. It then takes the Hydrogen and delivers it to your fuel injectors along with the gasoline. Hydrogen combusts with the Gasoline inside the engine therefore creates a more efficient use of the gasoline. The combustion creates a more efficient way to power the vehicles engine. Since Hydrogen burns hotter then gasoline, the mixture between the two will require less gasoline to power the actual engine.

Hydrogen does not damage or ruin your engine in any way since the combustion is controlled by the vehicle's ECU. The ECU will simply not let anything happen with your engine that would damage it in anyway. Why haven't the automakers adopted this before? Well after 20 years they are just starting to, introducing Honda Civic FCX.

You don't have to wait for the auto makers to come out with Hydrogen cars, convert your car now. The Hydrogen Boost will convert your car into a Hybrid which will run on Gasoline and Water! You fill up your water tank every 325 miles - 1200 miles on bigger systems, that's approximately once every time you fill up.

In addition unlike our competitor hydrogen fuel conversion system, ours is guaranteed to work. We promise 10MPG or your money back. Why are we so confident in our system and our competitors are not? Because adding Hydrogen into your engine will not increase your MPG unless three things occur:

Vehicle ECU is configured to allow the extra combustion from the hydrogen to enter or it will completely reject it.
The oxygen sensor must be configured with a special circuit board that will accommodate the hydrogen.
The Hydrogen Boost Fuel Conversion must produce enough Hydrogen per hour to accommodate your specific vehicle.
Our Hydrogen Boost system are not universal, we have designed and tested each system for every specific car model. Our system come s with 2 ECU Circuit boards that will reconfigure the ECU and the Oxygen sensor for your car. It is a Bare bones PC boarded EFIE circuit (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancement) (Size is 1" x 2 ½"). The board is complete and ready to install with all the wiring for 12 volts dc input and the oxygen sensor signal input and output that goes back to the vehicles computer. There is a switch to put the unit IN operation and OUT of operation. It has an on board red and green LED that shows when IN or OUT of operation. The Oxy Comp-1 comes calibrated and ready to install. All components are of military specs. Has on board voltage regulation so that the offset voltage that you set is extremely stable and will not drift. Also has an on board relay that the oxygen sensors signal is switched threw.

some videos about it:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3701084457391832035
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU
http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2005/11/69529

 

This product ranks right up there with the electric supercharger

 

mythbusters tested a few 'hydrogen' options on a past episode, none of them every worked at least conversion ones that advertise "run your car on water"

 

On mythbusters they built a hho generator to prove you cannot generate enough h2 to run your car. They did however run straight hydrogen into the carb and had the car running except it backfired and they figured it wasnt safe, but how could holding a hose with h2 comming out of it over a carb be safe for driving?

 

 

lol... the hindenburg.... they actually think that the lining burned now cause had it been the gas inside, it would have been more of an explosion... anyways...

Yeah, to run a car exclusively on Hydrogen isn't gonna happen for you. The propane kits are like nitrous for diesel engines. Check out Bully Dog systems.

As for the hydrogen booster, in principle, it may work. I have a PDF file that has the plans on how to build one and I have most of the parts laying around. I really just need the nylon bolt and washers and I may build it just for ***** and giggles. Oh, and the sodium hydroxide, which is proving to be the hardest part to find, but i haven't really looked. If it shows even the slightest positive affect, then I'm gonna have to buy a tuner to see what I can actually squeeze out of one of those contraptions.... lol


And, currently, as croat pointed out, most hydrogen is created via burning oil... so in our current style of making it, a hydrogen car won't change anything, fuel price OR emissions, since to make it, the same resource is being used, oil. When they start making it via solar or wind power, then thats something to talk about.

 

And, currently, as croat pointed out, most hydrogen is created via burning oil... so in our current style of making it, a hydrogen car won't change anything, fuel price OR emissions, since to make it, the same resource is being used, oil. When they start making it via solar or wind power, then thats something to talk about.

No sir, it is made from hydrocarbons such as natural gas and this is achieved by separating the hydrogen from the rest.

Hydrogen can be generated from natural gas with approximately 80% efficiency, or from other hydrocarbons to a varying degree of efficiency. The hydrocarbon conversion method releases greenhouse gases. Since the production is concentrated in one facility, it is possible to separate the gases and dispose of them properly, for example by injecting them in an oil or gas reservoir (see carbon capture), although this is not currently done in most cases. A carbon dioxide injection project has been started by Norwegian company StatoilHydro in the North Sea, at the Sleipner field.

 

lol @ the hindenburg^^^

when the gas prices are so high many people are desperate for more MPG's so many companies claiming they have a solution can reap the benefits when 99.99% are useless. ie. electric superchargers and hydrogen systems

 

I have 2 friends that tested out those kits, the one has had it for a bit and claims it works good, and my other friend just made his, and i am awaiting his results... i will let you know, and i will try to take pics of his kit

 

Fools and their money .... well, you know the rest

 

ideally on paper the concept is that by using electricity (the amount needed to charge your cell phone when driving) will separate water into two gases hydrogen and oxygen creating H1 and O2 now for every two water molecules you break up you will yielding H2 and 2O2 in other words three combustible molecules with the emissions of H2o capable of higher compression ratios and more power and torque.

The down side well 1st you will overall use alot of electricity, water filters will be very costly

lastly if everyone used Hydrogen powered cars tomorrow then a few years down the road instead of smog issues we would have water issues ie rain/snow storms, cyclones, hurricanes, massive flooding. Even though hippies cry of smog filled skys better then completely effecting the worlds eco system with "harmless" water vapor

 

Aparently some people think this is one of those HHO generators that are saposed to increase your gas mileage. That's not what I am talking about!

I'm talking about running my car on a different gas. This is a conversion similar to propane conversion some use on diesel trucks. You can run either natural gas or hydrogen gas. Kit comes with injectors, engine management system, compressed gas regulator, wideband sensor, pressure sensor, and more.

 

I said those propane kits are NOT complete conversions... look up Bully Dog. Propane = nitrous for diesel trucks... its pretty bad ***...


And croat, my bad. I did see some show where the guy said that most hydorgen was made using oil. I didn't read your whole chart thingy...


BUT, I will build one of these contraptions since, as I said, I have 90% of the stuff laying around. It will cost me maybe 20 bucks to make... Just for ***** and giggles. I waste 20 bucks on dumber things....

 

Well ..... I saposed if you had all the info together it would make a bit more sense however since all of the tech data is no-existent, well ..... its bunk

 

if your talking about running your car on propane...

they've been doing tthis for years (past 20 I know of atleast) ... in europe.. my dad use to always tell me about it when I lived in florida, but its real popular here... there is shops here all over the place that will let ANY car run on LPG (liquid propane gas) ... so far I've heard about allot of different cars running on it, including tiburons, but also even a Dodge RAM SRT10 with a blower on it... so if that can run on it, anything can...

the cost is 2000-3000 euro .. my dad had it done on his 2005 Nissan Titan 5.6L LE .. reason is because gasoline cost 1.50 euro a liter here, and LPG cost between 40-50 euro cent! (so a third of the price) ...

Also, 10 years ago, there was about a 10% in powerloss, which now is almost non-existent because they have a new system that works with the ECU instead of running off vacuum. this system is called G3 over here...

I can post some pics of it if you guys are interested.. let me know

 

Propane and hydrogen are completely different sir.

 

we have natural gas pumps at most stations around here and you get a full tax credit for the conversion price. the local college converted ALL of their cars and busses to natural gas, they have wells on their property so free fill ups for them lol. when you convert to natural gas you can still run off regular gas when needed.

 

Don't bother, this is BS technology.

Any product that claims to be able to cheaply separate Hydrogen from water is full of ****. That's the biggest problem right now with fuel cells. As soon as we find a cheap, cost-effective way to create H2 and store it easily, fuel cells will really take off. A company that finds a way to do it won't be advertising it on ebay. They'll be on the stand accepting a Nobel Prize for starting the process of ending the oil age.

Garbage. Don't bother.