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Motor blew but blew silently

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My new turbo piping went on, my redo of the pcv valve fromt he oil catch can to the turbo intake was finished, my car was nicely cleaned, washed.... was a perfect day indeed.

Lately the past month, month and a half, my car has been acting really odd... problems nobody ever heard of. The car was pulling fuel away... sometimes just randomly. One day it would be running fine with the a/f ratio, then the next it would pull my fuel away.

Well I soddered my new 02 harness for the primary 02, not crimped it, because of the location I had to move it to thinking that was the problem. I didnt replace the primary 02, because even when I pulled out the harness my car never went into that RICH RICH mode, just stayed stoich. Also I noted my valves making a loud ticking sound after the head spacer was installed. I then turned to the spark plugs thinking they were fouled. When i chaned the spark plugs i noted that plugs had oil on the threads, which troubled me. Thinking nothing of it, I went from NGK 7, to NGK 6 and gapped them at 0.037.

Well today, after how perfect everything went, I took the car out. I then said, its time to open up the throttle. I then stopped on the gas, the car dropped gear, and as soon as the boost hit around 10psi... i heard a puttering sound. thinking great the spark is being blown out, i let off the gas. No check engine light, nothing. I pulled in the drive way, shut off my car, but then realised i had to move it out of the way because we were having the cable guy coming over. When I went to crank it, it wouldnt fire. I was like wait.... wait.... so then i gave it gas, and cranked it again and the car started, but a loud BASH BASH BASH sound was coming from the top of the valve cover. No oil was leaking, no coolent, just loud bash sounds almost like an extremely aggressive valve tap. I checked the oil, no sign of metal flakes or anything. So i was thinking perhaps a valve adjustment is needed. No smoke was coming from the exhaust. However, i looked at the turbo and say that it was smoking itself!?!? The oil seals werent gone or else i would be blowing smoke out of the exhaust so what would be causing this??? This is just odd, i didnt hear a loud boom or anything...?

I then had the car towed to Hyundai, and to my suprise they told me the problem.

1.) My piston rings were melted.

2.) 3 bearings were gone, thus my piston was being launched into the cylinder wall, and valves.

3.) They noted that the piston was almost disolved on the top (2 of the pistons).


They pointed the blame on a few things:

Bad Gas which contributed to detonation.

Decompression of the head gasket

Coolent in my oil from the head gasket being damaged from detonation when my car was leaning out.

My car wouldnt even go into a closed loop mode unless the car was started cold, and it wasnt on for a long period, yet after it was warmed up it did this??? I could smell something burning for weeks, and I believe that when my last turbo went my head gasket was partially damaged, or wasnt seated right, and it severly weakened my motor.

All things set aside, im not going to panic about this. Im authorizing a motor swap, which the dealer will do for me and im being quoted for $1235.00 with timing adjustment, oil change, tranny flash, installation of my new motor, disassembling my old turbo and mounting it on the new motor. The motor im getting is from a friend which only has 25,000k on it (5,000 less then what my old one had). All the seals are brand new, the head is already ported and polished to dmicks specs. My pistons are ROSS Forged low compression, so I wont have to rely on using a head spacer, im getting the job done right this time.

Well, ill be posting pics of this busted engine, if anyone wants it lol let me know ill be more then happy to send you it for fun to look what detonation can do to you!
 
#6 ·
BWahahahahaaaa wait for it..wait for it.....NOW!


Wow...I guess it was "Silent but deadly"....


bwahahahahahahaha..shutup im drunk!
 
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#8 ·
Solo2Tib said:
You're already drunk at 9pm and are sitting at home posting on teh interweb?

wtf? I haven't even left for the bar yet.

lol bro my day starts early..and tomorrow is no better...5am i'm off and running..I miss the days of gettin up at like 8am.

Also, I spent 2 months in a drunken comatose...I dont go out to drink anymore really. I stay home. Its safer.

EDIT: All I drink is 750's of the Doc....I get gone quickly.
 
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#9 ·
No its not time to give up, i refuse to, i took way too many short cuts on the last 2, and after having a talk with several people im coming to relise what happens when you take the easy way, it bites you back in the end.

Earlier today, i took all this out on my family and my friends. I metaphored this to many personal issues and it all comes down to not karma, not the smart a** remarks im getting, but to the plain and simple fact that ive been trying too hard to get somewhere too quickly. Thus being said, it has made me understand myself and improve my decisions. With the mistakes at home, work, and now this, so much has come to me in the matter of a day, almost feels like ive grown up 30 years in one day.

No, im not giving up on this car, the turbo is going back on. But this time its being done right all the way down to the finest electrical wire. No more short short cuts, no more b.s. about what power I have, I just want a reliable, fast, and most importantly, a respectable car. I dont know everything, and my attempts of ignoring advice to prove Im superior have bitten me back. Now its time for me to do things right, not just the sense of my car, but with people, friends, and family.
 
#11 ·
Solo2Tib said:
You think with this many problems you'd be on the verge of making huge numbers and running a nice fat T04 or something, not a lil T-3.
Thats where I want to be, but I cant get there with how I was doing things, I stressed to myself too much that I was gona be there before all of you, but im wrong. My car project turned from doing it right, and slow, to going quick and not doing things right at all. With situation stamped on me now, I have no choice, either I give up (which I was never raised to do) or just try again, but this time, doing it RIGHT.
 
#12 ·
dvanderk said:
I then had the car towed to Hyundai, and to my suprise they told me the problem.
1.) My piston rings were melted.
2.) 3 bearings were gone, thus my piston was being launched into the cylinder wall, and valves.
3.) They noted that the piston was almost disolved on the top (2 of the pistons).

They pointed the blame on a few things:
Bad Gas which contributed to detonation.
Decompression of the head gasket
Coolent in my oil from the head gasket being damaged from detonation when my car was leaning out.
if i was the dealer, i wouldnt even think about touching your car. i cant wait till you screw something up again, and then try to put the blame on them because they did the majority of the work on your car.

unfortunately for you, i dont think i would trust the HYUNDAI dealership to tell you what happened to your car. yes, theyre knowlegeable, but they dont work on FI hyundais, and for them to say xxx is wrong here and yyy is wrong there, theyre just saying what they think is wrong

how much did it cost your mom to have them tear the motor apart and tell you it is gone?
 
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#13 ·
evan938 said:
if i was the dealer, i wouldnt even think about touching your car. i cant wait till you screw something up again, and then try to put the blame on them because they did the majority of the work on your car.

unfortunately for you, i dont think i would trust the HYUNDAI dealership to tell you what happened to your car. yes, theyre knowlegeable, but they dont work on FI hyundais, and for them to say xxx is wrong here and yyy is wrong there, theyre just saying what they think is wrong

how much did it cost your mom to have them tear the motor apart and tell you it is gone?
First, I never blammed the dealer, it was my doing, im responsible for the car.

It costed ME $75.00 to get the problem diagnosed. What confuses me is that they didnt tear apart the block!? They told me that was the problem, unless they were able to pull the head off in 2 hours because I got a call from my work what happened. I think this sounds strange... but piston tapping has accured. What puts this into question, is if my bearings went, lack of lubrication would have to have happened. Therefor:

1.) When my car accident happened, they had a brass fitting on the turbo feed which they chizzled away into the hole, which went straight into my oil drain. I had the turbo flushed but I think some brass pieces may have gotten into the system and it finally caused this problem to accur.

2.) When I was using synthetic oil, I swicthed back to regular to break in my new turbo?

3.) Bad gas, horriable detonation? I checked the plug and it was bear white, however the plug wasnt damaged.

My main question is how can the dealer tell if the rings and pistons are melted and bearings gone if the block was never pulled apart?? can they tell just by taking the valve cover off and running a camera into the actual valves???
 
#14 ·
1. rn't bears brown
2. my spark plug threads had oil on them and the car has 4K miles on it. nothing special.
3. i think your dealer has watched The Fast and the Furious one too many times. "your piston rings are fried and now the mad scientist over here is gonna have to tear apart the block"
 
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#17 ·
bms231 said:
1. rn't bears brown
2. my spark plug threads had oil on them and the car has 4K miles on it. nothing special.
3. i think your dealer has watched The Fast and the Furious one too many times. "your piston rings are fried and now the mad scientist over here is gonna have to tear apart the block"
LOL :3_puh2:
 
#18 ·
Hi, its good you admit your mistake and learn from them. One day you will definitely succeed. For me, I'm into turbo charging the 2.0L I4 cvvt too. But I want to learn from other ppl's mistake and get it right the first time (funds limititaion).

Hope those who have successfully TC their I4, pls step out and give me some advices on which turbo kit to go for and why?

So far I have some recommendation from DM on the alpline turbo kit. Hope I'll be able to get more info for comparision from other turbo users.

Jsar
 
#19 ·
about f'n time...

Your like the person that will run into a wall three times before he realizes it hurts...

You don't know how to turbo your car, your shops don't know how to turbo your car, XAT doesn't know how to tune a car, and I tend to wonder if you ever paid Tim the money you owe him...

All in all... I would suggest you ditch the tib... really I would suggest your parents get smart and take the damn car away from you and give you something like a colt to drive...
 
#22 ·
dvanderk said:
Where would you suggest for dyno tuning in this area? Any good places in clearwater?
LoL...

Man, you seriously need to give up on the damn car... all I'm going to say...

I refuse to be nice to you unless I know things are settled between you and Tim...

And I seriously hope your not having Courtesy do any work on your car... they have a known habbit to screw things up... I only know that because I know the guys that do most of the work in the back... They usually get high as hell then work on ****... it's kinda hilarious... (esspecially the guy that does body work there for nissian, man that guy gets ripped)
 
#23 ·
labmixz said:
LoL...

Man, you seriously need to give up on the damn car... all I'm going to say...

I refuse to be nice to you unless I know things are settled between you and Tim...

And I seriously hope your not having Courtesy do any work on your car... they have a known habbit to screw things up... I only know that because I know the guys that do most of the work in the back... They usually get high as hell then work on ****... it's kinda hilarious... (esspecially the guy that does body work there for nissian, man that guy gets ripped)

Guess you wont be nice to him then, cuz you know he hasnt paid ****. people should just stop reading his threads and answering his questions. i feel even dumber everytime i go to learn more about turbocharging the i4!
 
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#24 ·
The dealer is pointing out the head spacer now, there saying that the head spacer was the primary cause for detonation because I was complaining to them about my car leaning out. And when I told them about my compression check I made a week ago, I noted that on CYLINDER NUMBER: 1 the compression was lower then the other 3 cylinders which were reporting around 180psi (with 6 cranks per cylinder test, /w coil pack disabled), however cylinder number 1 was getting 165-170psi.

There saying that the material with the head gasket over time depending on conditions will begin to crack, or deform due to thermal expansion. Thus being said, I was leaking compression which was allowing some air to be vented in without being metered to the fuel my MAP sensor was reading out, thus causing my fuel to read extrememly lean. This also makes sense because on mornings with cold starts my car would run just fine, but as soon as I reached normal operating temperature for about 10 minutes i will start leaning out. Also my car was getting difficult to start. This problem all started when the head spacer was placed on but progressively got worse as my first posts about the leaning issue were around this time frame.

Now im not going to bash rick, its clearly my fault, and no blame will be made on the REAL ECU, because this was purely a head gasket malfunction which resulted in detonation as soon as I hit boost. This is DEFFINATELY good to know, because my a/f ratio was bumped to 12.5-13.0. With this being said, ANYONE who used a head spacer I would advise HEAVY caution regaurding the installation and operating temperatures. More info on Monday, and Ill provide pictures.
 
#26 ·
Hey wait, didn't I say before that the head spacer would cause detonation issues?

OH YEAH.

I think you should give up doing anything to your car by yourself and get a shop to do ALL the work, you still have no clue what your doing after blowing up three engines.... I'd take the time to point out all the things you've said above that make no sense... But it's not going to matter, you'll keep trying anyway.

BTW... PICS OR BAN!!
 
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