[InsideJoke]

I'm talking with a buddy, and it seems all I can find for the records are 230whp for Korean and 210whp for North America but that was in 07.

Does anyone know what the current records for NA Tibs are?

 

[SgFtibby]

i would like to see a tib with i/h/e ngm tri flow ngm stge 4 U/L IM, regrind cams ngm reflash..i dont think theres one of those around, but i could be wrong

 

[06tiburonofdoom]

I'm pretty sure that those are still the records. At least the 210 is.
Someone here needs to do the Stage IV heads and high lift cams!

 

[jprophecy]

DOnt forget race forged light wieght pistons and a balanced and blue printed crank, with polished and ported heads, that would all count under n/a.

 

[JPGreco]

probably not all that much higher. Why do you want to know? Are you going to try to top it? It takes a LOT of work on a tib to break 200whp NA on a tib, thats why you don't see all that many.

 

[InsideJoke]

Nah, I'm not trying to break it. I'd rather put that money down on a coupe. I'm just curious to know what its at currently.

 

[illibball087]

well doing all that stuff to the engine pretty much makes it a whole different engine...a drop in 3.5L engine in a tib would be the record if you count that

 

[jprophecy]

well doing all that stuff to the engine pretty much makes it a whole different engine...a drop in 3.5L engine in a tib would be the record if you count that

I think doing all that to the 2.7 would still make it hella faster

 

[GeneralPatton]

i would like to see a tib with i/h/e ngm tri flow ngm stge 4 U/L IM, regrind cams ngm reflash..i dont think theres one of those around, but i could be wrong

Give me another month or 2 and ill be there :3_winkthu . Im also gonna throw light weight pullies in there too. I should be making a little more than 210 wheel.....lets just say my goal will be to beat it!

 

[siman]

I think here in the US, it is 240 whp. These were the Grand AM Cup cars that raced in 2003. You can read the full story here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0207_2003_hyundai_tiburon_gt_v6/race_track.html

 

[Smok3F0X]

Personally I like the search button this gives you the break down of the legendary cams and a graph to boot!! :3_winkthu

Pross

 

[GeneralPatton]

Personally I like the search button this gives you the break down of the legendary cams and a graph to boot!! :3_winkthu

Pross

Yeah but you can't really get them in the states, so although Korean's may be having 240+whp NA, I think again the fastest (non-race car) Tib NA V6 is 210. I think it was possibly Malagus.

DeShark will most likely put down the fastest NA numbers when it is all said and done. The dude seems to be aiming for like 240whp.

When I get to about 215ish and in the 13's is when I shall stop.

 

[237]

210 -
intake
headers
exhaust w no cat
stage 4 upper and lower
cams
lighweight pullies
REAL reflashed ECU
timing adjustments
some other minor tweaks I don't want to get into (or dont remember).


I've been out of the modding scene for a while, so I havent been following the highest horsepower n/a tibs, but I really can't see anyone getting alot more than 210 (maybe with a better ECU flash and reworked heads). I don't see how 240 is even possible, and if it is, you would need reworked internals, most likely a complete standalone ECU, etc. And if that were the case, it would definitely NOT be a daily driver. You have to remember the pross car had 230ish, but it was a rally race car. Thats also the car the cam specs you all are using are based off (theirs were even more aggressive)

 

[faus03]

DeShark is going for it. he's got everything listed above,except ngm ecu and is going for the ngm heads and prolly higher compression engine later down the road. He's also got ngm stage 2 cams which i believe is .370 lift, oh and the 70MM tb.

 

[GeneralPatton]

DeShark is going for it. he's got everything listed above,except ngm ecu and is going for the ngm heads and prolly higher compression engine later down the road. He's also got ngm stage 2 cams which i believe is .370 lift, oh and the 70MM tb.

Dude, he's already got an NGM ECU.

Only thing more he is getting is built heads, stage II heads, clutch, flywheel, lightweight pulleys, billet motor mount, and lower Stage IV.

Considering he has already touched 200whp without those mods .. I can definitely see 230whp and a low 13, possibly 12 second NA Tib.

 

[237]

DeShark is going for it. he's got everything listed above,except ngm ecu and is going for the ngm heads and prolly higher compression engine later down the road. He's also got ngm stage 2 cams which i believe is .370 lift, oh and the 70MM tb.

Yes, but the stage2 cams from NGM do not put out near the power of the crower cams. I've discussed this before - lift and duration are not the only factors in making power - you need to also change the separation. The change in separation on the crower cams is what nets you most of the 20 whp (or whatever it is). Just because he has a ton more lift, doesnt mean he is making more power.

Heads will definitely help make more power, but if you already have everything I posted (and didn't post ), then you will need to start changing internals for higher compression, or changing the heads.

As for a 12 second N/A tib.....Good luck on that one. Maybe somebody should try to get a n/a tib into the 13's first. Even then, 20 whp is not going to move you from a high 13 to a high 12.

 

[MJ6]

I'm right there with you GP.

As it stands right now (or as of this Sat) I'm just missing:
Cams
70mm TB
Clutch/Flywheel
NGM's handheld flash

Crower has my cams as we speak and I'm hoping to get them installed after boot.
I may invest in cam gears and sprockets down the line as well, just to see what I can squeeze out of them.

 

[237]

I'm right there with you GP.

As it stands right now (or as of this Sat) I'm just missing:
Cams
70mm TB
Clutch/Flywheel
NGM's handheld flash

Crower has my cams as we speak and I'm hoping to get them installed after boot.
I may invest in cam gears and sprockets down the line as well, just to see what I can squeeze out of them.

I see a few of you with bigger TBs on here, and I'm not sure that is really worth the investment for people looking to make more power. From what I have seen, once you have cams, the major bottleneck is definitely the intake tract, just not the tb. I would say if you are planning on doing cams, you should ast least consider doing heads while you are in there. Once you have the cams off, the heads are just one more step, and should net you quite a bit more power.

I dont think you need to get the top of the line NGM heads, the stage 1 heads should do just fine for a cost of $500. Well worth it in my opinion, and if I would have kept my car it would have been the next step for me.

 

[faus03]

Dude, he's already got an NGM ECU.

Only thing more he is getting is built heads, stage II heads, clutch, flywheel, lightweight pulleys, billet motor mount, and lower Stage IV.

Considering he has already touched 200whp without those mods .. I can definitely see 230whp and a low 13, possibly 12 second NA Tib.

i must not of been clear in my post. I was saying that he has the ngm ecu instead of the real ecu. just to clarify, i've read the posts on ngm's site also...

Yes, but the stage2 cams from NGM do not put out near the power of the crower cams. I've discussed this before - lift and duration are not the only factors in making power - you need to also change the separation. The change in separation on the crower cams is what nets you most of the 20 whp (or whatever it is). Just because he has a ton more lift, doesnt mean he is making more power.

Heads will definitely help make more power, but if you already have everything I posted (and didn't post ), then you will need to start changing internals for higher compression, or changing the heads.

As for a 12 second N/A tib.....Good luck on that one. Maybe somebody should try to get a n/a tib into the 13's first. Even then, 20 whp is not going to move you from a high 13 to a high 12.

if i'm not mistaken, the ngm stage 2 cams are .370 lift, 220 duration 210 separation. not 100% on the exact specs, but i do know that they have a larger separation.

 

[MJ6]

I see a few of you with bigger TBs on here, and I'm not sure that is really worth the investment for people looking to make more power. From what I have seen, once you have cams, the major bottleneck is definitely the intake tract, just not the tb. I would say if you are planning on doing cams, you should ast least consider doing heads while you are in there. Once you have the cams off, the heads are just one more step, and should net you quite a bit more power.

I dont think you need to get the top of the line NGM heads, the stage 1 heads should do just fine for a cost of $500. Well worth it in my opinion, and if I would have kept my car it would have been the next step for me.

This is very true. Even just the stage 1 heads would give better flow numbers. I might actually consider doing this when I take care of the cams then.
Main question is, how difficult is it to swap heads?
I've never seen a DYI on it and therefore have no clue what's all involved.
Any ideas? I'd love to learn how and do this myself if possible.