any news on this?

I am looking for a turbo or s/c kit for the 02-04 elantra/tiburon/trajet 2.0l 4cyl and the new 2.0l tib (2004 modell).

EDIT: the engine number for the 02-03 betas is G4JP I think and for the 2004 tib-engines it's G4GC. I need turbo or s/c for both types if possible!

 

Why is this under N/A?

Don't be silly putting a S/C on a 4... turbo = teh way to go.

 

yah man, if you have an I4 go turbo.

 

This was posted how long ago? The FI forum wasn't even around when I posted this.

I only explored this as another option for our I4 guys. A S/C will provide power thru the entire power range, with no lag time, most people's concern is that the I4 will hurt the S/C's performance because a S/C uses the engine to provide its power rather than spent exhaust gases. Jackson Racing S/C's work very well on Honda's and Acura's, I have seen a few over 250-300whp using those setups, I wouldn;t turn my nose up at that.

 

If you get the supercharger and install it, i'll race ya with my turbo i4 and well see the difference.

 

i wanted a S/C for my I4 just because of the fact that the guys i know that have turbos are always in the shop getting things tuned and stuff.

it seems the turbos require more maintance the SC......is that true it all?

 

i wanted a S/C for my I4 just because of the fact that the guys i know that have turbos are always in the shop getting things tuned and stuff.

it seems the turbos require more maintance the SC......is that true it all?

That is exactly why i also want a S/C plus i can keep all my NA mods.

 

Look, with both Supercharger and Turbo, your going to have to be tunning it everytime you change the PSI. becuase you are forcing air into the cylinder. The only main difference between the 2 systems are the components.

 

alpine hasnt been able to get more than 165whp from their supercharger kit on an I4. You could go ahead and spend 3k on it (not including install), and still get beat by another tiburon spraying a 50 or 75 shot of nitrous.

 

alpine hasnt been able to get more than 165whp from their supercharger kit on an I4. You could go ahead and spend 3k on it (not including install), and still get beat by another tiburon spraying a 50 or 75 shot of nitrous.

Can't u continue to up the psi of the supercharger and continue to get higher whp numbers? I meen even if it takes having to upgrade injectors, or even getting new pistons, etc. can't u potentially get the same power from a supercharger than a turbocharger? like 200+?

 

not really, cause you are lossing power running the supercharger becuase there is a belt that has to drive the supercharger.. so it is pulling some of the power away fromt he car.

 

ok ok ok.... I see, this is an endless discussion...

What I need is an easy-to-install turbo- or s/c kit for the 4cyl tib/elantra/trajet. I want it to get DOT approved here in switzerland, so it has to be reliable and it should not change emissions to badly.

what do you guys suggest? please post links if possible...

 

also to note.. that supercharger starts getting pretty hot..

anyways..

A turbo kit would need to be tuned in your country in order for it to be very conservative. A U.S. fuel map,.. wont exactly work as well halfway accross the world.

I suggest you look into piecing up your own turbo kit.
A small mitsu turbo should suit you well.

 

also to note.. that supercharger starts getting pretty hot..

anyways..

A turbo kit would need to be tuned in your country in order for it to be very conservative. A U.S. fuel map,.. wont exactly work as well halfway accross the world.

I suggest you look into piecing up your own turbo kit.
A small mitsu turbo should suit you well.

you mean tuned because of emissions? well sure, that will be a point. and that's why I'm looking for the best bolt-on kit out there to suit my needs. a bit tuning won't hurt us. but we don't want to build our own system because that would be to expensive.

 

Turbos are harder to tune than SC. SC is more straight forward and predictable. SC sap power from the belt, Turbos use up power from exhaust being backed up, they both cost power to drive, you don't get power without spending power. The difference is the type of compressor. A roots compressor is very inefficient, however a centrifugal compressor which is what a turbo uses is much more efficient. A centrifugal SC if built properly can be very efficient, and not be very far off on losses compared to a turbo setup. Turbos are usually slighly more efficient than centrifugal SC but not a ton more, but they are definately more complicated to tune, tuning a SC is much more straight forward, as you always know what boost you will be running at what RPM, turbos there is more assumptions and guess work that goes into it.

 

also to note.. that supercharger starts getting pretty hot..

don't turbos generate more heat than s/c?

 

yea i would think so...

 

Turbos are harder to tune than SC. SC is more straight forward and predictable. SC sap power from the belt, Turbos use up power from exhaust being backed up, they both cost power to drive, you don't get power without spending power. The difference is the type of compressor. A roots compressor is very inefficient, however a centrifugal compressor which is what a turbo uses is much more efficient. A centrifugal SC if built properly can be very efficient, and not be very far off on losses compared to a turbo setup. Turbos are usually slighly more efficient than centrifugal SC but not a ton more, but they are definately more complicated to tune, tuning a SC is much more straight forward, as you always know what boost you will be running at what RPM, turbos there is more assumptions and guess work that goes into it.

Turbo is more about using wasted energy. Suposedly 1/3 of the engines power is actually being used, the other 1/3 of the engines power is wasted via exhaust gases, and the other 1/3 of the engines power is used to cool down the engine. So I would tend to believe that a turbo is more about using wasted power in that aspect, while the supercharger is something that needs blunt engine power to run...

 

still need an answer to my question: can anybody suggest a turbo-kit for the betas, that is easy to install?

 

a turbo produces more hp and torque than a s/c running at the same exact pressure because a s/c pulls power from the engine...so..if you want to reach 300whp, it is more demanding on your engine to use a s/c to do it rather than a turbo because the s/c pulls power from the engine and requires more boost than the turbo which uses the exhaust gases

 

A turbo kit that is easy to install is the Gude kit, I will let you make the decision on anything else. Here is a link to where you can see it.

www.fluxperformance.com

and labmixz has a thread on going about his install and other things here in the FI forum. Good luck

 

A turbo kit that is easy to install is the Gude kit, I will let you make the decision on anything else. Here is a link to where you can see it.

www.fluxperformance.com

and labmixz has a thread on going about his install and other things here in the FI forum. Good luck

thank you red! I will check it out then!

 

thank you red! I will check it out then!

doesn't look like a relieable and easy-to-install kit... more like lots of worries and trouble.

any other suggestions?

 

Alpine, it isn't as pretty as the GUDE kit with all the chrome piping but Alpine includes EVERYTHING. No need for additional fuel or timing controls, everything is taken care of by the Unichip. Price is about the same, shipping is very fast and all parts will be sent. No waiting for this peice or that peice to show up in the mail and if you can find a Alpine authorized installer you keep some warrenty also(not through Hyundai but it's still a warrenty on your car not just the parts of the kit).

 

you know even if it only boosted the car to around 165 I still would have loved for alpine to have done the damn supercharger for the I4's I'd love to have on for my elantra.