Check This Out..Stage 5 IM
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hey i would want to buy this and test it out.... would i get flammed out the a$$ thou for doing so?
also anyone wana help me pay fo rthis? i only have 200 bucks in my account and my friends are suppose to givbe me about 100 more. but yea someone wana donate a little jus so i can buy it and test it and dyno it?
also anyone wana help me pay fo rthis? i only have 200 bucks in my account and my friends are suppose to givbe me about 100 more. but yea someone wana donate a little jus so i can buy it and test it and dyno it?
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Whether you see it as a copy or not, you really need to just sit back and ask yourself WHY did they decide to name it a Stage V intake?? I think that was the biggest tie to the NGM Stage IV intake, and also the reason that this became such a heated debate. If, in fact, SSA were not looking to copy T.C.'s intake setup, they why did they name their's they way they did? Now I know NGM has a reason to have a Stage IV intake, and that's because they have numbers 1-3 as well (i.e. making # 4 next in line). So maybe if SSA can produce some information on the other 4 intakes they are missing from their lineup, this would all make a lot more sense. Otherwise, if, in fact, this was a one of a kind idea of their own creation, they should have named it accordingly, and not try to bolster sales by tying it to NGM's nomenclature. Does this make sense to anyone else??
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sungeun6985 said:
...... no....... tell SSA if they really want to sell these things they can provide their own damn dyno, like everyone else.
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well i would get it jus so i can do a dyno and if its promisin #s then yea it will be ezy hp 4 less
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Peter you're missing the point here..... that IM is quite obviously a piece of junk.
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wait... dai, do you men daispeed on the boards? the guy who gave me that spare V6 motor?
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o well then i guess nvm man i wish i could afford atleast the stage 3 
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There's a GB going on right now for the stage III's, $500 shipped for both the upper AND lower. If you can't afford that then call TC and see if he can get you a deal on just the upper. That price includes the anodized colors as well.sungeun6985 said:o well then i guess nvm man i wish i could afford atleast the stage 3
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They called it a Stage V and posted pictures of NGM's Stage IV and called it **** because they want to be able to sell theirs as better, when it is quite obviously inferior. It looks ridiculous. NGM's Stage III is a fully ported , polished, & powdercoated stock IM, while a Stage IV is a custom-made fully fabricated IM designed for more airflow. SSA comes out with a Stage V IM. What's that mean? It means they're getting idiots to buy their product because Stage V > Stage IV.
Cheap tactic, and I hope the company tanks for being unethical and spineless. But that's just me.
Cheap tactic, and I hope the company tanks for being unethical and spineless. But that's just me.
Ok, there's a nice little lesson to be learned here by some of you. It's called MARKETING. Now, when you are a company selling a product, you have a few options for getting consumers to buy that product. 1) you can make an outstanding product, price it to give you a decent product margin, and then let word of mouth do the rest. Quality speaks for itself... Or at least it used to.
Welcome to the world of margin-killers. The ideal here is simple. Cheap production cost to lower pricing to the end consumer. They make a small profit on each item, and in turn, sell a larger number as a way to make money.
There are two types of consumers in this world. Price-conscious, and quality-conscious. NGM consumers are the second catagory. No price is too steep with the knowledge that your product has been tested a thousand times over until it meets T.C.'s standards. Good on him for doin the R&D. Here's where the other catagory comes in. Company 'X' now comes in after the expensive R&D (lowers costs), and uses basically the same design. Then, they mass-produce with lower quality standards (lowers cost again). Finally, they use a name that follows with it, the reputation of the original product. Instant marketing power. Then, simply add a 5 instead of a 4, and you've now got a better intake in the minds of the price-conscious.
Is it right to T.C. and other small companies? No. But business is not a fair game. But at the same time, if comanies like T.C. wish to survive and grow, they have to cut profits to maintain a share of the market. Quality alone doesn't sell a product to 90% of American consumers. We're cheap bastards. Japanese companies don't want to venture here, because of that. They know that our kids will check online, and try to get them to match prices.
Welcome to the real world of business. If you care about quality, go NGM, if you care about price, he doesn't want your business anyway. There's always going to be someone that wants your money bad enough. SSA is just around to pick up the scraps. And when you add up all the scraps of the the cheap-ass american consumers, it's quite profitable.
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Welcome to the world of margin-killers. The ideal here is simple. Cheap production cost to lower pricing to the end consumer. They make a small profit on each item, and in turn, sell a larger number as a way to make money.
There are two types of consumers in this world. Price-conscious, and quality-conscious. NGM consumers are the second catagory. No price is too steep with the knowledge that your product has been tested a thousand times over until it meets T.C.'s standards. Good on him for doin the R&D. Here's where the other catagory comes in. Company 'X' now comes in after the expensive R&D (lowers costs), and uses basically the same design. Then, they mass-produce with lower quality standards (lowers cost again). Finally, they use a name that follows with it, the reputation of the original product. Instant marketing power. Then, simply add a 5 instead of a 4, and you've now got a better intake in the minds of the price-conscious.
Is it right to T.C. and other small companies? No. But business is not a fair game. But at the same time, if comanies like T.C. wish to survive and grow, they have to cut profits to maintain a share of the market. Quality alone doesn't sell a product to 90% of American consumers. We're cheap bastards. Japanese companies don't want to venture here, because of that. They know that our kids will check online, and try to get them to match prices.
Welcome to the real world of business. If you care about quality, go NGM, if you care about price, he doesn't want your business anyway. There's always going to be someone that wants your money bad enough. SSA is just around to pick up the scraps. And when you add up all the scraps of the the cheap-ass american consumers, it's quite profitable.
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who is tc? what his nt name? how much do u think he would get me a deal on the upper? and lastly does anyone know him well enough to put in a good word for me?
Wow...I'm sorry to hear about this...but at the same time I can't say I'm surprised. I'm not sure if some caught this single post from TC, but it stuck out in my mind for sure:
http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=773282&postcount=60
Basically I think this is a good case of bad business...they stole a couple key designs of TC's, and fudged the in betweens themselves...presumably. As forementioned there was no patent on this item, and I doubt that TC is looking to take any drastic measures in lieu of this development other than maybe getting their advertising edited.
I can empathize with the loyalists, but I can also see where this other company is coming from...it's one of the oldest games in the book these days...undercut the competition by any means possible! These low-balling companies aren't in it for the compliments of quality, or customer satisfaction, they are looking to make the sale and move on to the next...basically get their foot in the door with the low price.
Now what is this I hear about Dai...lol is he a shady guy, or is it all rumours?? :3_nooo:
Also, I find the previous two posts quite ironic reading them in order hehe
-Scott
http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=773282&postcount=60
Basically I think this is a good case of bad business...they stole a couple key designs of TC's, and fudged the in betweens themselves...presumably. As forementioned there was no patent on this item, and I doubt that TC is looking to take any drastic measures in lieu of this development other than maybe getting their advertising edited.
I can empathize with the loyalists, but I can also see where this other company is coming from...it's one of the oldest games in the book these days...undercut the competition by any means possible! These low-balling companies aren't in it for the compliments of quality, or customer satisfaction, they are looking to make the sale and move on to the next...basically get their foot in the door with the low price.
Now what is this I hear about Dai...lol is he a shady guy, or is it all rumours?? :3_nooo:
Also, I find the previous two posts quite ironic reading them in order hehe
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.... TC doesn't make "deals", he sells fairly to everyone for the same price. He's a household name around here, he runs Next Generation Motorsports, and he's running a group buy for the Stage IV upper and lower combo right now if I remember correctly.sungeun6985 said:
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