What are you talking about?

 

EDIT: nvm, he just explained it in that video.

 

He's talking about this

It's double clutching and totally not needed.

 

heel and toeing is not double clutching ... it is simply revving the engine to match rpms and is not necessary but can really help with smooth downshifting ... i do it on a regular basis

double clutching on the other hand is releasing the clutch while in neutral and reving it, then re-engaging the clutch and finishing the shift, which unless you are downshifting through two gear is not necessary

 

Whilst braking, tibjunkie. Hence heel toe, working three pedals with 2 feet. I also engage in this practice at times, usually only to 2nd gear, 1st is too hard to match lul.

 

sorry ya figured that was implied ... just wanted to clarify that it wasnt double clutching

 

H&T driving is meant for professionals, don't try this.
Seriously, you won't know what you're doing and will end up in a ditch.
Basically its like synchrorev, but without the intelligent ecu.

 

^^really? i disagree ... it took a bit of practice in one of the longer straight streches out here to get comfortable with it yes but its not a "professional only" thing

 

You don't use H&T on straight aways..its useless unless you're taking a turn, if you don't know how to do it you'll screw something up, like focusing on the road and more importantly, traffic, don't try this on local roads

 

Promo...yet again...your voice was not welcome.
It is not that hard. It is used by professional race drivers, but that does not mean you need a PhD in racecraft or be Micheal Schumacher (if you even know who that is) to do it. I have never once been out of control nor anywhere near it while doing it. It is as simple as it sounds: rev-matching while braking. It does require a decent bit of coordination between your brain, feet, and hands and it is not any harder on your transmission than ordinary rev-matching. I have numerous books on car racing that can testify to this. I will however, agree with the previous posters who said it is pointless [for daily driving]. I just do it out of preference at this point, not because I'm trying to be a showoff or a poser race car driver.

To clarify, a double-clutch heel-toe downshift from 3rd to 2nd goes like this:
1. Depress brake with right foot
2. Depress clutch with left foot
3. Shift from 3rd to neutral
4. Release clutch
5. Quickly stab the throttle with the outside edge of your right foot
6. Depress clutch with left foot again
7. Shift into 2nd gear
8. Release clutch
9. Release brake

As you can see, it's a little bit more involved with the double-clutch thrown in. I recommend trying it, just to see how it feels. Frankly, if every race car driver in history could heel and toe before the advent of Synchrorev, I sure as hell can. It's a matter of coordination and experience, not of technology or some superficial talent.

 

Promo...yet again...your voice was not welcome.
It is not that hard. It is used by professional race drivers, but that does not mean you need a PhD in racecraft or be Micheal Schumacher (if you even know who that is) to do it. I have never once been out of control nor anywhere near it while doing it. It is as simple as it sounds: rev-matching while braking. It does require a decent bit of coordination between your brain, feet, and hands and it is not any harder on your transmission than ordinary rev-matching. I have numerous books on car racing that can testify to this. I will however, agree with the previous posters who said it is pointless [for daily driving]. I just do it out of preference at this point, not because I'm trying to be a showoff or a poser race car driver.

To clarify, a double-clutch heel-toe downshift from 3rd to 2nd goes like this:
1. Depress brake with right foot
2. Depress clutch with left foot
3. Shift from 3rd to neutral
4. Release clutch
5. Quickly stab the throttle with the outside edge of your right foot
6. Depress clutch with left foot again
7. Shift into 2nd gear
8. Release clutch
9. Release brake

As you can see, it's a little bit more involved with the double-clutch thrown in. I recommend trying it, just to see how it feels. Frankly, if every race car driver in history could heel and toe before the advent of Synchrorev, I sure as hell can. It's a matter of coordination and experience, not of technology or some superficial talent.

Great description. I never really had a complete grasp on what it was but now I realize, I have done this a few times by accident.

And Michael wouldn't need to H & T...F1 cars are clutchless. I'm just saying....

 

I rarely use heel and toe... I have a 13-14 shoe. My foot (among other appendages) is plainly too long to efficiently do it. However, the foot is wide enough to do a similar action using the sides. Left side on the brake, right side on the throttle. It works very effectively and it's not only for professionals. See, I'm not a professional, and I can work it quite well. If you are too dumb to use it without getting in an accident, don't use it, like promo said. However... very very very few car enthusiasts are that dumb. And it can be effective on straight aways. Coming up to a green light on a highway (55-60 mph) and it turns yellow and you don't have the time to make it through, it can help you stop much quicker utilizing both engine and rotor/drum braking.

Also, there is not a need to double-clutch. You can keep that clutch in throughout it.

 

^^ thank you ... much clearer but it was what i was trying to say but its been a really long day so my brain doesnt want to work anymore

 

I do it daily nearly, any chance I get - but like 03redTuscani said it's more of a left-right foot motion than a heel-toe motion for myself (I also wear a 13)

And it's not ridiculously hard or strictly for professionals. Anybody with somewhat thorough knowledge of how a car works can figure this one out.

Edit: I'm also still on the original clutch at 97,800 miles.

 

I'm looking out for the people reading this thread and learning how to H&T their cars for the first time around a corner while there's on-coming traffic.

Be careful, cobra's right, it takes a coordination but also safety, the point is to enter a turn and exit without losing much speed. There's no real word use for this technique.

 

Do you even know how to drive a standard?

 

I know there is no need to double-clutch while heel-toe downshift. I normally do it without double-clutching but I still try to do it with the double-clutch as a pointless yet self rewarding matter of coordination and skill and attempting to be "in synch" with my car.

I'll also point out that shifting of any kind while turning in a race situation is bad technique (unless you have a flappy-paddle gearbox like an F1 car). You should always brake (and therefore, downshift with heel and toe) in a straight line and you always should complete your downshift just before you turn in.

 

You keep the clutch engaged in a turn? That's sounds a bit odd to me...

I slow down, downshift into an appropriate gear to take the turn, turn in, and smoothly apply the throttle to power out of it. So I have my car always in gear while I take a corner.

EDIT: Unless I was mistaken for thinking by "engage" you meant "depressed"...

 

Your edit is correct that you were mistaken. It does seem odd, but when the clutch is engaged, you are off the pedal. To disengage it, you depress the pedal.

I was sure that was correct but your post had me second guessing myself. I had to double-check it to be sure. lol

 

lol, sorry for the confusion. Terminology mix-up; I realized what I said as soon as I pressed "post reply", my bad.

 

I use it but only when we are in the mountains

i also have a big foot and the tibs pedals are hard to do it in for myself.

but yes i do it

 

i only do it when drifting.

 

No whitetext? You either better be joking or better not be talking about drifting your Tib. I'll facepalm hard.

I only do it when bench racing.

 

good, good we are all learning much tonight.

 

aww common you fully agree with me and no posi rep?? lol normally i care but you just have so much to share lol

 

Rule of rep: Ask for posi-rep, generally get neg-rep. Just saying.

 

I can't do this, but I know how it works. I just rev match when down shifting. I've learned what RPM a certain gear will be at at a certain speed, and I've pretty much got it to the point where it's smooth 100% of the time.

I slow as I approach the turn, push in the clutch, change gears (usually to 2nd), rev match, and accelerate out of the turn.

 

Promo is so god damn stupid.

If you cant heel-toe then you aren't driving anywhere near the limit.

 

hahaha well said

 

i never realized i was actually using a heel-toe technique...guess i know now lol. idk i do it cuz its easier/makes for a smoother downshift, never thought of it for racing lul

 

guess i know now

And knowing is half the battle!

 

Hmmmm I've always downshifted right as I entered tight turns. Never had the need for heel/toe because there is always that half a second of time when I do not want to brake, nor do I want to accelerate (tires spin, traction lost at the start of a curve= bad) So I spend that moment downshifting to my appropriate low gear.

I'm kinda curious other than feeling like a race car driver why would anyone really need this technique, except on a road/rally course? Especially considering that when turning on city streets you kind of need to check for cross/oncoming traffic. Trying to burn around a corner like a professional formula one driver would alleviate the time you need to properly check for that traffic................

 

I'm kinda curious other than feeling like a race car driver why would anyone really need this technique, except on a road/rally course? Especially considering that when turning on city streets you kind of need to check for cross/oncoming traffic. Trying to burn around a corner like a professional formula one driver would alleviate the time you need to properly check for that traffic................

Highways with short deceleration lanes and short acceleration lanes after that. Gotta keep that speed up or you are SOL and waiting for traffic to die down. With that, its all about merging, not stopping and checking. If you stop and look around, you are going to get wrecked.

 

conversation had when discussing double-clutching and heel-toe:

Me- What are you smilin’ about?
Some Ricer- Dude, I almost had you.
Me- You almost had me? You never had your car. Granny shiftin’, not double clutchin’ like you should. You’re lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn’t blow the welds on your intake. Almost had me? Now me and the mad scientist gotta rip apart the block and replace the piston rings you fried. Ask any racer, any real racer. It don’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning’s winning.

true story

 

conversation had when discussing double-clutching and heel-toe:

Me- What are you smilin’ about?
Some Ricer- Dude, I almost had you.
Me- You almost had me? You never had your car. Granny shiftin’, not double clutchin’ like you should. You’re lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn’t blow the welds on your intake. Almost had me? Now me and the mad scientist gotta rip apart the block and replace the piston rings you fried. Ask any racer, any real racer. It don’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning’s winning.

true story

terrible movie is terrible