The only thing I can think of is that if the pump isn't circulating fluid, then it's possible the bearing will eventually seize. That will either instantly stall the engine if the pully has enough grip on the belt, or the belt will rub the pully and melt/break.

 

yeah both of those sound horrible.lol
is there a way i could delete the powersteering pimp?
use a smaller belt or something?
i hear in canada you could get a v6 with no power steering.
could i use the belt from that setup?
or do i just HAVE to have powersteering?

 

You're trying to take the lazy way out by not fixing it, but then thinking of attempting to delete the PS?

No. Just... No. Fix it.

Also, no there's no non-PS version of the car. Or any car, for quite some number of years now. There's a different size belt for no AC.

 

Yes they do still make cars with no power steering, there are several alternatives to having pump or even power assist.

Yes you can delete the power steering pump from the 2.7 but it will take some knowledge of pulley's and angles. you will have to calculate the length of the belt needed to compensate for the lack of pump, the very best option would be do have a bracket fabricated that would sit the same height and pulley size to allow you to delete the pump.

If you leave the pump there without any fluid it will spin a bearing and possibly seize or grenade,

There are always alternatives... always

 

not trying to be lazy, i just really dont care for powersteering.
it feels more responsive when driving than other cars with power steering
but if i cant not have power steering it then i will fix it

 

It might be possible to delete the pump if you really wanted to. It all depends on if the belt will hit anything with the new belt path. I don't have any clue how you would properly measure what length the new belt would need to be.

 

thanks lukeman & H8 for the hope
i guess first thing to do is replace the pimp and hose to stop any form of the word "grenade" from happening.
i still have fluid in and power pops in for like a minute every now and then, but that part has me scared.lol
maybe after the replace i can turn the old pump into a bracket for thebelt somehow..
im new to this kinda stuff (and cars in general) but im sure its possible
i just really wish they made a delete belt.
but thanks for the help!!

 

I LOVE the Elise.
but no power steering really isnt that bad. even parallel parking downtown is simple enough.
driving it is just gravy: especially on curvy roads. hard to explain but no powersteering it makes it feel just right
but i will fix it ASAP. the idea of anything grenading is frightening enough.

i guess for my next project i gotta find something without power steering from the factory

 

you cant just take it off and loop the lines? honda makes it so easy

 

I dont know if your in a no-fault state, but think of the liability aspect. If your in an accident and it's discovered you were operating without power steering the blame could be put more on you as not being able to properly steer your vehicle. Maybe, but why take that risk.

 

I had an 04' Elantra GT and I thought it touted "speed-sensitive power steering", which was supposed to firm up the steering response at highway speeds. It was probably more marketing gimmick than anything. I don't remember ever noticing much of a difference though.

 

ok first off OP. the issue you have is extremely common.

all you need to do is replace the high pressure power steering line,
Start there and see where your at, the pump is most likely fine unless it is screaming and making allot of noise.

2nd having a bracket made up with a pulley on it to replace the power steering pump would not be hard at all, and for people who want to make major power the p/s pump is a huge source of parasitic draw and is often removed, you can keep the normal steering rack and reservoir and connect the lines to the reservoir it allow the rack to be lubricated and prevent pressure from building and blowing the seals.

there are also alternatives for steering racks, there are universal racks that can fit the tiburon and have powered and non powered options that allow for faster and better response.

the key thing with modding is everything and anything can be done its a matter of time skill and money, This is not an extremely difficult mod to accomplish if you are willing to put in the time.

but first make the car safe and reliable again, replace the line then begin designing a replacement bracket to accommodate the oem belt while removing the pump.



That systems uses pressure controls to apply more assist at low speeds like parking and lowers the pressure when on the highway to make the wheel feel heavier, many many vehicles use that system, my Cadillac had it.

 

a lack of power steering is a beutiful thing. having driven 80's era vw's for most of my life (now 70's) I love the heavy feel so much more than w/ power steering. iho power steering is for lazy people who dont truely love driving, but thats just me. I say go for it but yes, fix it for now. it is always cheaper to replace a few parts than a lot of parts.

 

power steering is for lazy people who dont truely love driving

Yeah, like F1 and WRC drivers- can't stand those lazy jerks who hate everything about driving.

 

Living without power steering isn't hard. you just have to have the car rolling a little bit to turn the steering wheel easy. if you just sit in one spot and turn, yes, you are going to have hard time.

 

If you want to delete your power steering put in a manual rack, almost everyone who converts their power steering rack into a manual one end up destroying their rack and *****ing about parking their damn car because it has a larger pinion meant for power steering (hydraulic assist). A car that's designed without power steering has a different turning ratio as well (smaller pinion). Think of it like gears in your car, a power steering rack has a ratio like accelerating in 4th gear vs a manual rack which is like 2nd gear.

I say just fix the damn thing, there is no benefit running without it on a power steering rack.

 

A car that's designed without power steering has a different turning ratio as well (smaller pinion).

Exactly what I said, but according to Sparticus that is inaccurate

 

You said this:

the Tiburon was obviously not designed with performance in mind and will have the most steering response, and safety with the power steering working and enabled

I said the bolded bit was wrong and why. You then misunderstood a bunch of my arguments (I probably should have made them clearer).

Steering response can be measured by how much force a given movement of the front wheels apply to the steering wheel. This is the "kick" you get over bumps or the lightening you get of the steering as you lose grip. Hydraulic power steering always reduces this force, you can go measure it if you don't believe me. Maybe that's not exactly what you meant when you said that, but I just wanted to make sure that people weren't misled by that statement.

EDIT: Hydraulic power steering systems also introduce a response lag as the kickback pressure wave moves through the fluid in the hydraulics. Check out this neat paper over reducing the hydraulic power steering response lag:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0389430499000594

 

I'm glad the mods on this site are so helpful, love how they always add useful comments to the conversation.
<3 you breechan

 

Im amazed how this thread went down hill.

honestly i would like to know if just replacing the high pressure line fixed the op's intermittent loss of power steering.

 

yeah this thread got preety crazy.lol
but i was at work all weekend. and i still am.lol
but the hp hose & ps pimp are both in my garage
so i can install them on my day off

 

ive been running no power steering on both my tibs for years with no issue, just trapped fluid in rack and pump

 

if you dont want powersteering you can drive without the belt around it. after all its just a hydraulic press. remeber its just a machine... however i think you may be more pleased if you converted it to a proper non power steering system. you wouldnt have to worry about leaking fluids either. although it may not pass safety due to the vehicle not coming standard with a non-ps setup.