[logihk]

Last night my engine shut down on me when slowing for a red light and it wouldn't start again. It had a radiator leak so it deff over heated after highway driving on my way home. I bought I new one and was waiting for it to get here all week. I was constantly topping it off with water, well it got here yesterday and I was on my way home to put it in when all this happened lol.
Well I got it towed home and I put the new radiator in this morning. I did a coolant flush and then filled it with 50/50 water and coolant. It still won't start.

It was turning over last night just not firing up all the way but it got worse and worse and started just clicking now it doesn't do anything, I thought it might be the battery so I got a jump and let it charge for a little bit and it turned over like twice then did the same thing as before. I checked the oil it was a little low so I topped it off I checked my connections and all my fuses( inside and the engine bay) and idk what to do now.
Tomorrow imma get the battery checked do u guys have any other ideas of what to do?
The engines prob seized and I will have to get it rebuilt but I hope I don't and I can just fix it.

Oh and I have a 03 i4 auto btw

I searched and only found that the crankshaft sensor could be a issue.

 

[TiburonRace]

Sounds like the battery. let that sucker charge before you try it again. lol

 

[03_tibby_CT]

i don't think your engine is siezed. they usually sieze from lack of lubrication, and the radiator doesn't lubricate your car.

you probably fried a sensor somewhere from repeatedly overheating the motor. i'd start with coolant temp sensor or crankshaft position sensor.

get a OBD scanner with real-time monitoring on the car when you go to start the thing. you might notice something right away (like your rpms constantly read "0" while you're cranking or your coolant temp reads -45)

 

[logihk]

Sounds like the battery. let that sucker charge before you try it again. lol

Yah its been hooked up all day and gonna be all night to a wall batt charger but I tried to start the car again with no luck after i had it on for like 3 hours so the charger might be broken because it didn't help at all and the voltage meter was at 0 the whole time and it's really old and making noises it never made before.

we are gonna prob buy a new batt tomorrow because the red top optima was on the car when I bought it so idk how old it is. I feel like it needed replacement anyways

 

[logihk]

i don't think your engine is siezed. they usually sieze from lack of lubrication, and the radiator doesn't lubricate your car.

you probably fried a sensor somewhere from repeatedly overheating the motor. i'd start with coolant temp sensor or crankshaft position sensor.

get a OBD scanner with real-time monitoring on the car when you go to start the thing. you might notice something right away (like your rpms constantly read "0" while you're cranking or your coolant temp reads -45)

Ok thanks, do you know if I can borrow scanners from auto zone?

 

[lukeman]

your engine can seize up from overheating but if it is cranking then thats not the case..

you will however want to investigate the posibility of sludge. you literally cooked the oil when you did this. you should never EVER drive a motor till it shuts down you will definitely do damage.

If even with a new charge the motor refuses to turn over then you have done serious damage. the best you can do is take a breaker bar and try and turn the motor over manually. then remove the fuel injection fuse and attempt to start it to get fresh oil in the system. then see if it will start and run.


i didnt read your first post all the way through ill have to come back to it at a later date and give more info

 

[05iontib]

^^^^ i agree with the sludge thing plus u said ur oil was low too so this is just a recipe for disaster.

U really should not have been drivin the car in that condition. Good luck with it

 

[logihk]

your engine can seize up from overheating but if it is cranking then thats not the case..

you will however want to investigate the posibility of sludge. you literally cooked the oil when you did this. you should never EVER drive a motor till it shuts down you will definitely do damage.

If even with a new charge the motor refuses to turn over then you have done serious damage. the best you can do is take a breaker bar and try and turn the motor over manually. then remove the fuel injection fuse and attempt to start it to get fresh oil in the system. then see if it will start and run.


i didnt read your first post all the way through ill have to come back to it at a later date and give more info

Ok thanks, when I pulled the dip stick the oil looked really burnt and when i took the top off to add oil there was none just dark spots old oil (but I just thought that was common) so I just topped it off.

Should I change the oil?

 

[logihk]

^^^^ i agree with the sludge thing plus u said ur oil was low too so this is just a recipe for disaster.

U really should not have been drivin the car in that condition. Good luck with it

Yah I prob shouldn't have but I had no other way to get to school and the leak wasn't that bad all week till yesterday it got way worse, on Monday I even used this plastic welder stuff ( kinda like jb weld but for plastic) and that fixed it but then wednesday it was leaking a little so I topped it off with water every day after school and yester day it died when i stopped with firends and restarted ok so I filled it up again and went home to put the new radiator in and I got really close to my house and it died when I slowed down to stop.

 

[03_tibby_CT]

yah, u can try changing the oil, but it seems like the damage had already been done.

i thought that the motor had shut down from overheating some electronic component, but if the oil situation was as bad as everyone else thinks, then yah u could have starved the engine for oil and toasted the motor.

change the oil, then try spinning the motor by hand. "take a breaker bar and try and turn the motor over manually. then remove the fuel injection fuse and attempt to start it to get fresh oil in the system. then see if it will start and run"

 

[05iontib]

^^^^ do this

 

[Lessaj]

+1 on Lukeman's post.

 

[logihk]

yah, u can try changing the oil, but it seems like the damage had already been done.

i thought that the motor had shut down from overheating some electronic component, but if the oil situation was as bad as everyone else thinks, then yah u could have starved the engine for oil and toasted the motor.

change the oil, then try spinning the motor by hand. "take a breaker bar and try and turn the motor over manually. then remove the fuel injection fuse and attempt to start it to get fresh oil in the system. then see if it will start and run"

No oil wasn't my main issue and it wasn't drastically low it took about a quart or too to get it right under the full dot on the Dipstick, it's been about 1.5k miles since it was last changed but I think that I did fry it and I just wanna try every possible fix to get it running.

Tomorrow I'm gonna
get a new batt
Change the oil
Try to turn it manually
Pull the fuse and get the new oil in the system
And then try to start it

If that doesn't work I'm gonna get a new coolant and camshaft sensor

And if that doesn't work I'll get it towed to a shop and hopefully it won't be too expensive

 

[Shark2005]

Not to alarm you, but if you fried the oil and it took up to (2) quarts to get just under the full mark on the stick, you are looking at replacing the engine. The rod bearings and crank bearings are going to be toast, not to mention other internals. Don't waste your money on possibilities, start looking for a used motor ASAP.

 

[lukeman]

It is very common to fry the crank shaft sensor. if you have a code reader start there.

and you cant trust the dip stick in this situation.

ill use the 2.7 out of a chrysler for example. Those motors are known for developing sludge in the heads. what happens is the sludge build up slows the flow of oil back to the pan eventually the sludge slows the oil so much that the pan becomes empty and the engine starves itself. now in the case of the one i had at the shop the other day the engine starved itself to the point of throwing a main bearing. but by the time the engine got to me the oil had sunk back to the pan so when i looked at it i first dismissed oil starvation until later on in the diagnosis.

 

[logihk]

Not to alarm you, but if you fried the oil and it took up to (2) quarts to get just under the full mark on the stick, you are looking at replacing the engine. The rod bearings and crank bearings are going to be toast, not to mention other internals. Don't waste your money on possibilities, start looking for a used motor ASAP.

I forgot to mention I have a tiny oil leak too that's not too bad it doesn't drip or anything but just coats the oil pan and filter in oil

so I do have to top off the oil about half way between oil changes so I don't think it was only low because it got over heated it might have cause it to leak a little faster tho but idk I will change it anyways just to have freash oil and coolant in the system

 

[logihk]

Sorry I'm posting so much but I just remembered that after my engine overheated the first time when tried to start my car after it was off for a while I would turn the key it wouldn't do anything at all except the all the electronics would work and I would keep turning it then it wuld turn over and start fine.

Do you think this could be the batt going bad or the sensor or something? It only did this after I over heated and the engine shut down on me the first time

And just an update I tried to start the car this morning after letting it charge all night and the batt is completely dead no lights or anything are coming on so hopefully when I get a new battery we can try to get it to turn over

 

[Jalexis4192]

Sorry I'm posting so much but I just remembered that after my engine overheated the first time when tried to start my car after it was off for a while I would turn the key it wouldn't do anything at all except the all the electronics would work and I would keep turning it then it wuld turn over and start fine.

Do you think this could be the batt going bad or the sensor or something? It only did this after I over heated and the engine shut down on me the first time

And just an update I tried to start the car this morning after letting it charge all night and the batt is completely dead no lights or anything are coming on so hopefully when I get a new battery we can try to get it to turn over

Seriously, its been said before, and ill say it again, but with some personal experience in there too; DONT WASTE MONEY ON POSSIBILITIES!

When my engine spun a bearing i wasted a good $350 trying to fix it (new oil, new bearings, machined a new crank) and in the end, it spun a bearing again a week later. A new engine cost me $500 and a weekends worth of work. If i had just changed the engine in the beginning my car would be lowered right now.

 

[logihk]

Seriously, its been said before, and ill say it again, but with some personal experience in there too; DONT WASTE MONEY ON POSSIBILITIES!

When my engine spun a bearing i wasted a good $350 trying to fix it (new oil, new bearings, machined a new crank) and in the end, it spun a bearing again a week later. A new engine cost me $500 and a weekends worth of work. If i had just changed the engine in the beginning my car would be lowered right now.

Yah thanks for the advise.

I got the new battery ( the old one wouldn't even take a charge anymore we had it tested at autozone and it was 7 years old)
I went to start it and it turned over and over but still won't start. There is alot of different noises coming from the head so we are just gonna have a mechanic take a look and see if we can just get it towed to a shop and get the oil leak fixed and have the headers I ordered 3 days b4 this happened put on too.

Thanks for the help everybody I really appreciate it.

 

[Jalexis4192]

Just get a new engine. Youll spend more fixing an overheated engine then it'll cost you to find a new one and have it installed by a local shop, most places even tow your car for free to the shop if you let them fix it, least around here anyways.