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The 3,000 Mile Oil Change Myth

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#1 ·
I now about this for a couple years now. I usually tell people this but they never believe me. I change my oil every 3,000 miles because of the way I drive(supercharged, racing, redlining and etc). But if I drive normal I'd change my oil every 5-7k.

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/aut...myth/;_ylc=X3oDMTE0cnVqb3Q4BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLXRvZGF5BHNsawMzMDAwLW9pbA--

According to a recent study by the California Integrated Waste Management Board, 73 percent of California drivers change their oil more frequently than required. This same scenario no doubt repeats itself across the country. Besides wasting money, this translates into unnecessary consumption of $100-a-barrel oil, much of it imported.



Using 2005 data, the Board estimates that Californians alone generate about 153.5 million gallons of waste oil annually, of which only about 60 percent is recycled. Used motor oil poses the greatest environmental risk of all automotive fluids because it is insoluble, persistent, and contains heavy metal and toxic chemicals. One gallon of used oil can foul the taste of one million gallons of water.


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It’s been a misconception for years that engine oil should be changed every 3000 miles, even though most auto manufacturers now recommend oil changes at 5,000, 7,000, or even 10,000 mile intervals under normal driving conditions.



Greatly improved oils, including synthetic oils, coupled with better engines mean longer spans between oil changes without harming an engine. The 3000 mile interval is a carryover from days when engines used single-grade, non-detergent oils.



For several years, automakers like General Motors, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz have installed computerized systems that alert drivers via an instrument panel light when it’s time to change oil. As an example, the General Motor Oil Life System (GMOLS) analyzes the engine temperature, rpms, vehicle speeds, and other driving conditions to calculate the rate of engine oil degradation. Then, software calculates when the oil needs to be changed. Other systems work similarly.



Because of the many external conditions and parameters that have to be taken into account, calculating the precise maximum service interval using mathematical models alone is difficult. Now, Daimler AG has developed a more direct and precise way to monitor oil quality directly on board a vehicle.



Daimler uses a special sensor integrated into the oil circuit to monitor engine oil directly. Oil doesn’t wear out, but rather dirt and impurities cause oil to lose its ability to lubricate properly, dictating the need for a change. Daimler uses the oil’s “permittivity,” that is, the ability to polarize in response to the electric field. If the engine oil is contaminated by water or soot particles, it polarizes to a greater extent and its permittivity increases.



To evaluate the quality of the oil, permittivity is measured by applying an AC potential between the interior and exterior pipes of an oil-filled sensor to determine how well the oil transmits the applied electric field.



Because not all impurities can be measured with sufficient precision via the electric field method, Daimler also measures the oil’s viscosity to detect any fuel that may have seeped into the oil. Daimler researchers measure viscosity while the vehicle is in motion by observing the oil's side-to-side motion in the oil sump. The slower the oil moves, the higher its viscosity. This movement is registered by a sensor and the viscosity is calculated on this basis.



A single sensor, along with the information already monitored by on-board computers, is sufficient to determine the various parameters of the engine oil. Daimler will likely use the technology first on its commercial vehicles. Here, large oil reservoirs mean larger quantities of oil can be saved. Plus, a predicted 25 percent increase between service intervals and reduced downtime will be of interest to fleets, and thus justify the added cost of installation.
 
#2 ·
It is probably true that many of the synthetic oils allow for greater intervals. However, I will always change my oil at 3k or even 2.5k when I go turbo. For the normal everyday person who only needs the car to run, 5k-7k is fine, but when your a detail oriented tuner that wants the most out of their car, I think playing it safe at 3k is the smart way to go.
 
#3 ·
I'm doing 5k intervals... my car only has an intake. I know my oil, regular oil, can last that long without problems.

The problem isn't with synthetic oils though, its the filters. Yes, the oil may hold up for 15k miles, but the filters are made for that duration...

Though we have vehicles that are going on 50k miles with no changes... lol
 
#28 · (Edited)
Your wait is over, actually it has been for awhile, Amsoil has the filters, and they guarantee them for extended drain. Synthetic oils can hold up for a long time, you're right about the filters though, most of 'em ain't worth a damn. If you are running petroleum, 3K changes aren't a problem, synthetics though, IMO, just throwing your money away especially with the right filters. Typically, switching to a good synthetic from petroleum will get you 3-5% increase in power, at say 200HP, that is a 6-10 HP increase for about $55, not to mention the fact that the increase comes from less friction which can't hurt your fuel economy! I run the Amsoil dual remote filter system, oil change once a year or 17.5K, which ever comes first.
 
#9 ·
I wonder how long the cars with 'oil change' sensors typically go before they say they need a change.

I don't drive too hard, but I use mobil 1 and change every 3,000, or at least before 4,000. I guess that makes me a sucker for the money and a pig for the environment thing. Oh well, I had been doing it because 'I wanted the best for my car', and i certainly don't think changing an oil every 3k is going to hurt a car. But since I hope to go F/I some day and that in itself is going to be at least somewhat more harsh on the engine you've at least got me thinking why bother with the synthetic. Although I've seen tests that show that Royal Purple at least gets an HP increase over regular oil. The particular 'study' i saw showed 5 or almost 5 i think which seems like a lot just for oil but i don't know.

I heard a guy on a radio talk show about cars saying that he was his own personal experiment and he wasn't going to change the oil in his old beater anymore. He was doing this because he claimed to have read that the army did a similair experiment with tanks where they never changed the oil from day 1. and they said it was because metal debris in the oil actually helped it to do its job better. I don't know if they changed the filters or not, or if you could change the filter with out changing the oil. A friend of mine had a 80s something toyota corrola, it had a oil filter in it that pointed up and you could access by poping the hood. I don't know if oil would come shooting or not :) It was definetly higher then the oil pan
 
#17 ·
How could it come shooting out if the motor wasn't running?
 
#10 ·
Honda recommends once a year or every 7,500 miles, whichever comes first.

But, our maintenance minder system essentially tells the driver to do it when it says 15% of oil life remaining.

Honestly, you bring up a great point in that article. Gas wouldn't be so expensive these days if people didn't change their oil as often. But, then again, I doubt those market speculators would ever consider that people are changing their oil less. They're really only concerned with driving the price of gas up.
 
#14 ·
what about changing the oil every 3 months? I only put about 1,500 and change the oil every three months. am I just wasting my money? Should I wait for 3,000 miles to roll by because that would probably take me about five months.

i use penzoil since I don't really drive all crazy and don't have any big performance mods

should I really go with mobile 1 synthetic

help a noob on this stuff
 
#36 ·
Mobil 1 is no garbabe. Trust me, once you visit the EMRE ( ExxonMobil Research & Engineering Center ) in New Jersey you would understand why Mobil 1 and any other Mobil 1 meet the highest standards when it come to quality , performance and development.

In case you didnt know ExxonMobil is the biggest world wide basetock supplier...chances are that your "favorite" synth oil use ExxonMobil basestock (PAOs for example) produced at their state-of-the-art refinery complex in south texas.

Another fact: ExxonMobil developed its own propietary additive mix , unlike many other companies that buy generic additives packag and then want to sell you that as premium.ExxonMobil spent several billion dolllars last year on research and engineering...believe a good chunk of that was spent on oil development.

I really hate when people talk sh*** about Mobil 1 when they dont really know. I know very well ExxonMobil standards for uber quality , produt development and sound enviromental practices regarding lube oil production , I know the engineers / plant managers that work their a*** off day and night to bring you the best oil. Believe me when ExxonMobil says its selling you a super ultra high performance synth oil , that is TRUE. I can vouch for it. I have seeb it with my eyes.

Just mention your favorite oil and I will find out if its currently using ExxonMobil basestocks or not
 
#16 ·
Lol ya I read that today at work cause I got real bored. It was nice info
 
#18 ·
^^ I don't know i'm just used to oil shooting out form the hole when i remove the oil filter on my car. In the case of the toyota if the oil is under zero pressure when the car is off then i guess the oil would not shoot out.

Someone made a good point about the warranty thing

and if its the case that there really is no filter that will protect past 3,000 miles that at this point in time changing every 3,000 is probably still best.
 
#19 ·
i will tell u one thing thow synthetic oil is the best... i just used it for the first time and the engine is quiter and less over all noise... this ment that u heard the intake 10x better and it sound nice and lets not talk about the porformance... my boy get in the car and the first thing he said " sound nice what u do to it this time"... i will give it a A+++
 
#21 ·
On my first first oil change, I went to full synth. On my third oil change, I had a Hyundai Tech tell me I was wasting my money on full synth for a new car with low miles.

He recommended that I downgrade to synth blend or conventional. He suggested I should back to full synth after the car has significant mileage.

He also recommended changes every 3k. Thoughts?
 
#24 ·
On my first first oil change, I went to full synth. On my third oil change, I had a Hyundai Tech tell me I was wasting my money on full synth for a new car with low miles .... Thoughts?
Yea ... find another mechanic :3_winkthu lol ... and I'm not jk with you.

The sooner you use synthetic, the better.
 
#22 ·
I read the exact opposite. I was told that you use synthetic on low mileage cars and synthetic blend on higher mileage cars. Reason being, synthetic oil basically cleans the motor of built up sludge. You might end up having problems with your seals if you switch to full synthetic on higher mileage engines. Synthetic is waaay better then regular oil on all levels. But, be careful of which "synthetic oil" that you buy. Research the oil that you want to buy and if it did not go through the hydro-cracked process then it isn't a "true" synthetic. The only ones that I could find that went through this process are Amsoil and Shell oil. Yes I said it....Shell like the gas company. lmao
 
#25 · (Edited)
"Daimler uses a special sensor integrated into the oil circuit to monitor engine oil directly. Oil doesn’t wear out, but rather dirt and impurities cause oil to lose its ability to lubricate properly, dictating the need for a change. Daimler uses the oil’s “permittivity,” that is, the ability to polarize in response to the electric field. If the engine oil is contaminated by water or soot particles, it polarizes to a greater extent and its permittivity increases."

Just another idiot sensor waiting to break. I hope they don't mandate this into all new cars like the tire pressure monitoring device (TPM). I had the dealership replaced the TPM device on my Nissan Xterra three times under warranty (different tire). When the warranty ran out, I just put electrical tape over the TPM light on the dash. I've found out that if I replace all four rims with aftermarket ones without the TPM sensor mount, the system will disable itself. There should be a damn off switch on the dash for this! Sorry ranting.

I usually change my oil every multiple of 5K just because it's easier to remember. No synthetic oil for me either. Too expensive. Nowadays, new engines are designed to run to 100K miles with just regular oils. Originally, synthetic oil is designed for high RPM engines like jet engines, turbos, and anything that spins in excess of 10K RPM and operates in severe atmospheric conditions. For the daily-driver and mildly boosted cars, it's not needed.
 
#26 ·
I never change my oil now that I'm boosted. Before I put on my stage 3, I had my engine teflon plated...it allows me to not use oil plus its guaranteed nonstick...
 
#27 ·
If you go to a shop and get your oil changed, then there is no waste of oil since by law it must be collected and recycled
 
#31 · (Edited)
We have a free curb side pickup of used oil and they leave a new oil bin in exchange. Most auto stores offer some sort of free drop off as well. But we'll never get everyone on the same page...its like getting all the NT members to stop using test pipes. :(

I change mine every 7.5 and I'm supercharge, but I can count how many times I've floored it during that interval on both hands. I keep it civil for daily usage, but I also make sure that I have fresh oil if I'm going to the race track.
 
#33 · (Edited)
I can't believe the amount of bad information here.

If you want to know about oil, check http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ out. That guy is a freak.

I use amsoil and filter in my tib and change it once a year or 10K ish. This is after I had an oil analysis done. I won't go over 8K or so this year. I wouldn't go over about 6 without doing a test first. If you are worried about a warranty then go to the dealership and don't worry about it.

On my beater, an 01 daewoo, I use Mobil 1 with AC delco filter and change it ever 5K. This is about a year also. I work 4 miles from home. The only reason I moved to Mobil 1 is because I don't trust dyno oil that long and I go through some extreme startup and shutdowns. Synthetic, no matter how crappy, will handle heat cycles and harsh stop and goes much better. It also guards against sludge much better than dyno oil when not changing it religiously.

If you want the truth about oil, check out the site and make your own decisions.