[GeekGirl]

lol...but we are talking about the headers that were yours..she wants to buy them from me...so she would already have a stock cat to put in there and a race pipe i got from kyle...so she could change um out...plus patrick said the thing he did robbed power like crazy...

So ur saying to make this work...i would have to put my stock exhaust back on??

 

[mcdwf398]

So ur saying to make this work...i would have to put my stock exhaust back on??

lol ...no, don't listen to anything matt just said, i don't think he read our whole conversation and he just confused things...
The headers bolt to the engine....and to the exhaust (the one you just put in) now normally headers replace the stock catalytic converter with a hollow pipe(race pipe), which gives better power (by a bit) but is slightly louder. So Matt, who had these headers before me and worked at a nursing home (or something) and needed the exahaust a bit quiter had the sock cat. modified to so it could be bolted in instead of the race pipe.(Because usually the stock cat is permantly connected to the stock headers)

So with Intake/ Exhaust/ Headers you should easily be able to make it in the 14s, or around 175whp

So no, you don't take off the exhaust you just got...the 3 things work together to make good gains...these are normally the first three things you get when modding a car....

 

[GeekGirl]

lol ...no, don't listen to anything matt just said, i don't think he read our whole conversation and he just confused things...
The headers bolt to the engine....and to the exhaust (the one you just put in) now normally headers replace the stock catalytic converter with a hollow pipe(race pipe), which gives better power (by a bit) but is slightly louder. So Matt, who had these headers before me and worked at a nursing home (or something) and needed the exahaust a bit quiter had the sock cat. modified to so it could be bolted in instead of the race pipe.(Because usually the stock cat is permantly connected to the stock headers)

So with Intake/ Exhaust/ Headers you should easily be able to make it in the 14s, or around 175whp

So no, you don't take off the exhaust you just got...the 3 things work together to make good gains...these are normally the first three things you get when modding a car....

I read that stock the tib has 171 hp (yucky)..so this only gives me 4 hp?? I am soooo going to mechanic school just to learn this sh1t! anyways...can u hold it for me for 3 weeks? Or is that too long?

 

[GeekGirl]

And matt!!! stop confusing me ;P Or next time I see u at best buy i will trip you!

 

[Mines Better]

If you do not like the noise of your headers you can talk to Patrick about the exhaust insert he purchased. He said it quieted his noise down a lot and he only had to have an exhaust shop weld it inside his exhaust. I am not sure about how much performance it hindered though which is generally a sacrifice you make when you silence your exhaust.

u mean the one that after a week of having he got pissed off about and said he dont like it?

 

[Mines Better]

Yes but doing so made me cut up my stock cat, which is not a good idea if you one day need to return to stock. That was also my only option at the time, which was a very long time ago 2 years now! Now we have other alternatives such as the product Patrick got, which is also the route I would take if I had the oppportunity to do it over again.

....but if she buys ians headers, its coming with ur stock cat...

 

[Mines Better]

I read that stock the tib has 171 hp (yucky)..so this only gives me 4 hp?? I am soooo going to mechanic school just to learn this sh1t! anyways...can u hold it for me for 3 weeks? Or is that too long?

170 CRANK hp. = 140 WHEEL hp.

i/h/e = 175 WHEEL hp. (tuned)

 

[GeekGirl]

OMG! so confused :3_frusty:

 

[mcdwf398]

I read that stock the tib has 171 hp (yucky)..so this only gives me 4 hp?? I am soooo going to mechanic school just to learn this sh1t! anyways...can u hold it for me for 3 weeks? Or is that too long?

ok well that is crank hp... whick is at the motor.....a car loses hp in the transmission, gears and whatnot....so most aftermarket hp numbers are measured at the wheels (whp). While car manufacturers measure at the crank.(Because this number is higher, so sounds cooler) What really matters is the whp... cause that is your hp where the car meets the road...

So a stock manual tib has around 140 whp while an automatic has around 130 whp so you would really be gaining around 35 whp...which is pretty good...and you will definetly feel it...

that is 35 whp with I/H/E so the exhaust you just got these headers and an intake which i assume you have...

 

[GeekGirl]

170 CRANK hp. = 140 WHEEL hp.

i/h/e = 175 WHEEL hp. (tuned)

So its like a35 HP gain?

 

[Mines Better]

whp

its a 35-ish whp gain over STOCK. ur stock numbers are 140. if u ahve intake and exhaust, then adding headers will give u a total of 35...ish whp....

...tuned that is...

 

[GeekGirl]

whp

its a 35-ish whp gain over STOCK. ur stock numbers are 140. if u ahve intake and exhaust, then adding headers will give u a total of 35...ish whp....

...tuned that is...

Oh god...questions....questions....explain "tuned" now.

 

[zion_leader]

There are two types of horsepower ratings. Brake Horsepower (BHP) and Wheels Horsepower (whp). Brake Horsepower measures the amount of horsepower at the crank. Wheel horsepower measures horsepower that is actually getting to the wheels. There are many parts (drive train) that need to operate before getting to the wheels, thus reducing the total amount of horsepower that actually gets to the wheels. In all marketing and advertising, they use Brake Horspower but if you were to put your car on a dyno, you would see that the actual horsepower getting to the wheels (the horsepower that counts) is reduced about 16% (for manuals) because of drivetrain loss.

*edit* nevermind, you guys already explained it.

 

[GeekGirl]

Theres a dyno day coming up pretty soon isnt there? March...?

Does the ssa exhaust header combo really sound like sh1t? If these headers have already been passed around twice, it makes me worried. But I guess its worth it if theres performance gains...anyone have a sound clip of what it sounds like??

 

[GeekGirl]

After all this...U better sell them to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mines Better]

tuned...u know, when u tuned ur car on a dyno...

 

[zion_leader]

Oh god...questions....questions....explain "tuned" now.

Tuned means you hook up a "fuel tuner" and adjust the air/fuel ratio to optimize gains. Basically, our cars are tuned rich from the factory in the higher RPM range. If you lean out the rich parts and beef up the lean parts to get a nice, straight fuel curve, you will see quite a bit of difference. It would be wise to tune after you add performance parts that increases air into the combustion chamber.

 

[Mines Better]

u = slow poster

 

[zion_leader]

I know. I take my time and am not as vague as you

 

[GeekGirl]

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