Well, I went through an embarrasing moment 20 minutes ago. I was trying to leave blockbuster with my smooth looking and sounding tib. When I put the car in reverse the car dies; however, I did roll a bit so that I am a bit closer to my final destination. I restarted the car and put it in reverse and it dies again. Now people are starting to look. The final attempt went well. I started the car, put it in reverse and almost floored it in reverse so that I have enough gas to keep the car from dying. Then I went home. I guess I need to get used to all these unexpected things until I get my VIM module.
the problems after I installed my cams
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I agree wiht your post and would like to add....Verify all you parts before you put them in!!FunkNasty777 said:
I still need to speak with Rick, but someone out there will have the same problems as me if they don't look at there cams carefully!!
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I'll be picking up the car in a about 2- 3hrs, then a nice little drive....Malogus said:
I already caught myself bouncing off the rev limiter just with the stage 4 intake...now...
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Hmm...Malogus - a better picture will help clarify what happend to Canuck to ALL future installers as in words its a little confusing if you haven't done the install. But that picture will do.
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Well I can attest that mine were 100% identical with timing marks in the same position....Someone from the group buy also has 2 identical exhaust cams but for the front bank. I just don't know who...
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hmmm...who screwed up canuck? Crowers, Rick? WHOOOO!?!?! lol
I actually helped the mechanic do mine but he did the timing adjustments and cam install part as I basically just removed all the parts before the cam install. Still Not sure what canuck's problems were caused by and how the dealership fixed it. Hope I am not the one with the identical cams. My car runs fine, but just runs in limp mode at idle. I will intall my spark plugs tonight and see if this takes care of my CELs. Will update later. I am doing the Oil Catchcan later too since I have seen a puddle of oil in my intake manifold when I took it apart. I bought everything I need from home depot, but Not sure how to attach the catchcan to anything. It doesn't have a bracket. Any ideas?
I have mine attached directly after the pcv valve using about an inch of rubber hose. then it connects to the upper manifold from there. It doesnt have any type of bracked, and doesnt move around since the tubing is so short. Plus it fits pretty well in the gap that is there.skhix said:
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Update….
I picked up the car and the parts manager, service advisor and a mechanic came outside just to hear it start up. We chit chat and I can’t take it anymore, I go and start the car….it wasn’t what I was expecting, but it has a nice slow lopy idle, but nothing crazy. I was expecting crazy lopy, so I’m very happy it’s not. I get out of the car and we keep chit chatting, all this time I just taking in the sound…it’s actually quite nice and not loud (more on that in a bit) sorta laid back.
I leave the dealership and I can feel a lot more vibration in the steering wheel, but I had NGM motor mounts installed at the same time. They had been sitting in the garage for a while and figured while they’re messing with the car, they may as well do that too. I start heading down the road taking it a bit easy and the sound of the car is amazingly different. I can’t really describe it but when the RPMs climb it just sound mean, the engine exhaust and intake resonate differently, and sounds nice. Also I have an SSA cat-back and the buziness between 2500 and 3500RPM is gone, not diminished…gone. That was one of the best surprises. I don’t have headers yet but I feel much better about getting them now.
Anyway on to the meat of it all…When I was just driving around (under 4000 RPM) you can tell that there is a little less low end but definitely not the end of the world. If I would have to subjectively describe the percentage of lost low end, I would say about 10% loss on the low end, really not more then that. The magic is when you climb past 4500, the engine just says “Bring it on!”. I turned onto the highway and let er rip in 2nd but didn’t go above 6500…I’d like to do what I can to break them in a bit….but it’s hard. The acceleration above 4500 is sooo nice you get a nice push back in your sit that increases as the tach rise and in second it rises quickly. Shift into third and caught up with traffic so I slowed down cruising at 65MPH. Get an opening and drop to 4th and the car pull nice and strong, slow down again cruise in 6th, get another chance and drop to 3rd this time tach rise to 5000 and I got to WOT. The car just pulls all the way to the rev limiter (yes Malogus I pegged it twice on my way home! LOL!!). There is no noticeable dip in the power delivery at any RPM when you get past 5000 it really start to climb fast.
I got on to a country road no one around and launch from a dead stop….I found launch much easier now, most likely due to the reduced low end and the motor mounts, I let it climb near 6800 shifted in to second chirped the tires which activated the traction control…moved on to third same thing but traction control didn’t activate. It was probably close to 90degrees outside but very high humidity.
After that I had a nice leisurely drive back home…. with a big grin….All I can say now is more power!! Bring on the headers!!
BTW...No CEL yet knock on wood
I picked up the car and the parts manager, service advisor and a mechanic came outside just to hear it start up. We chit chat and I can’t take it anymore, I go and start the car….it wasn’t what I was expecting, but it has a nice slow lopy idle, but nothing crazy. I was expecting crazy lopy, so I’m very happy it’s not. I get out of the car and we keep chit chatting, all this time I just taking in the sound…it’s actually quite nice and not loud (more on that in a bit) sorta laid back.
I leave the dealership and I can feel a lot more vibration in the steering wheel, but I had NGM motor mounts installed at the same time. They had been sitting in the garage for a while and figured while they’re messing with the car, they may as well do that too. I start heading down the road taking it a bit easy and the sound of the car is amazingly different. I can’t really describe it but when the RPMs climb it just sound mean, the engine exhaust and intake resonate differently, and sounds nice. Also I have an SSA cat-back and the buziness between 2500 and 3500RPM is gone, not diminished…gone. That was one of the best surprises. I don’t have headers yet but I feel much better about getting them now.
Anyway on to the meat of it all…When I was just driving around (under 4000 RPM) you can tell that there is a little less low end but definitely not the end of the world. If I would have to subjectively describe the percentage of lost low end, I would say about 10% loss on the low end, really not more then that. The magic is when you climb past 4500, the engine just says “Bring it on!”. I turned onto the highway and let er rip in 2nd but didn’t go above 6500…I’d like to do what I can to break them in a bit….but it’s hard. The acceleration above 4500 is sooo nice you get a nice push back in your sit that increases as the tach rise and in second it rises quickly. Shift into third and caught up with traffic so I slowed down cruising at 65MPH. Get an opening and drop to 4th and the car pull nice and strong, slow down again cruise in 6th, get another chance and drop to 3rd this time tach rise to 5000 and I got to WOT. The car just pulls all the way to the rev limiter (yes Malogus I pegged it twice on my way home! LOL!!). There is no noticeable dip in the power delivery at any RPM when you get past 5000 it really start to climb fast.
I got on to a country road no one around and launch from a dead stop….I found launch much easier now, most likely due to the reduced low end and the motor mounts, I let it climb near 6800 shifted in to second chirped the tires which activated the traction control…moved on to third same thing but traction control didn’t activate. It was probably close to 90degrees outside but very high humidity.
After that I had a nice leisurely drive back home…. with a big grin….All I can say now is more power!! Bring on the headers!!
BTW...No CEL yet knock on wood
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Hey i got a question say i get these later and i get them installed by a pro shop round town, should i run into any of these problems that u guys have with miss firing and all of that and i know that u dont have thew VIM module yet but did these problems all happen cause u guys installed these yourselfs? THanks Ryan
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Give it some time, from what we know Supertib had alot of problems wiht the ECU. Malogus had a misfire once and Skhix seemsto be misfiring often but he's auto and has strange plugs which he's changing out this week. I just got up and running so it's too soon to tell and Funknasty will be up and running next week. I plan on reporting back the status of them in my car on a very regular basis and I'm sure the other group buy participants will too. This will help someone who has a vested interest in cams make wise decisions. Seems how these are so new (at least in general availability) I think it would be smart to track behavior differences in the various set-ups (like auto and manual).Dawald_Tibby said:
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Most of these problems are normal for running cams with an untuned setup. Tuning your car to compensate for these cams is the BIGGEST issue. All setups with exception for Malogus are running untuned. If you back track a page or two, read my post where I spoke with TC about this. The problems aren't with installation - save maybe for Canuck. Otherwise, skhix was pro done, Canuck was eventually pro finished, I'm being pro finished, and Malogus self installed. Backyard -mechanic installs - you better know what your doing. It is worth the extra $$ to have a pro install. Piece of mind more than anything - especially since outside of the couple people who ran nextgen cams - we're really all guinea pigs for cam setup on the tibs. However that being said - it seems things are going for the better AND with a tune (VIM MODULE) I'm fairly confident that these will be a BAD ass setup for N/A and a nice foundaiton for future F/I applicaitons.Dawald_Tibby said:
Judging from grumblings I have heard, I would not buy any more cams at this point. Not because of the issues people are having with installation, but just because there will be better solutions out there shortly. I didn't want to break this news too early, but I think now is as good as time as any (especially with the mishap that happened on Canucks car)......
I have been in talks with Brian Crower for months and months now, and was recently asked to send him some sample pieces for R&D purposes. Basically I sent him the complete valvetrain minus the head, along with a number of measurements he has asked for. They should be there ready for him to begin work when he gets back into town on August 10th.
So what are the parts you ask.....
At this point he is looking to produce a stage 1 cam that will be similar to the setup we currently are using. The difference being that the cams he produces will be fresh grinds, not regrinds like we currently have. Since they are fresh grinds, he will be able to also make us a Stage 2 setup, which will be VERY aggressive from what I understand (maybe 220 duration and .050 lift). If I am lucky I will be the guinea pig for these cams somewhere around xmas time.
Now as far as pricing goes, he said they will also be priced very aggresively. I would expect well under 800....the price he is currently shooting for is about $650. Yes thats right, $650 for a set of fresh grinds direct from Crower.
Like I said, this is preliminary right now, and he is still in the R&D phases. I just sent the OEM cores to him this week, so it might be a few months. I have been holding this back a few weeks, but I think now is as good as time as any to bring it out, especially after what I have seen the past few days.......
Expect a group buy from me when Crower gets close to going into production on these babies....
I have been in talks with Brian Crower for months and months now, and was recently asked to send him some sample pieces for R&D purposes. Basically I sent him the complete valvetrain minus the head, along with a number of measurements he has asked for. They should be there ready for him to begin work when he gets back into town on August 10th.
So what are the parts you ask.....
At this point he is looking to produce a stage 1 cam that will be similar to the setup we currently are using. The difference being that the cams he produces will be fresh grinds, not regrinds like we currently have. Since they are fresh grinds, he will be able to also make us a Stage 2 setup, which will be VERY aggressive from what I understand (maybe 220 duration and .050 lift). If I am lucky I will be the guinea pig for these cams somewhere around xmas time.
Now as far as pricing goes, he said they will also be priced very aggresively. I would expect well under 800....the price he is currently shooting for is about $650. Yes thats right, $650 for a set of fresh grinds direct from Crower.
Like I said, this is preliminary right now, and he is still in the R&D phases. I just sent the OEM cores to him this week, so it might be a few months. I have been holding this back a few weeks, but I think now is as good as time as any to bring it out, especially after what I have seen the past few days.......
Expect a group buy from me when Crower gets close to going into production on these babies....
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Exactly what would a stage 2 set up consist of? More lift? more duration? Or is it like F/I applications where the cams stay the same and we are just adding sometihng more to it to open up more power.
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Well I've driven my car about 3 hours now and and still no CEL. I popped in at Hyundai this morning to return some valve cover gaskets that I didn't use (wrong ones) and had a chance to speak with the mechanic who did the work. He told me that it was rather difficult to rotate the cam 180 degrees because the number of teeth on the cam sprocket is odd, so when you rotate it 180 you fall between 2 teeth. What he did was compare the set of stock cams with the regrinds and found the tooth that made the lobes line up exactly with the stock ones. He also told me that after the test drive he plug the car to the diaginstics computer and not codes were showing.
Malogus - Could you ask Crower if they see any problems with the reversed cam? I'd really appreciate their input.
I'm also very anxious for the VIM flash....not so much for the fixes (still no CEL) but for the raised rev limiter.
I was also thinking...(I know I should stop right there!) Maybe Skhix is exhibiting the same inconveniences as Supertib due to his air intake. Maybe the CELs are thrown due to a "starvation" of the engine. I just had a look at his mods and he doesn't mention an intake. Supertib was a stock ported intake (like a stage 3) and JackMcNasty I believe was running a stock intake with just intake cams.
Just a thought.
Malogus - Could you ask Crower if they see any problems with the reversed cam? I'd really appreciate their input.
I'm also very anxious for the VIM flash....not so much for the fixes (still no CEL) but for the raised rev limiter.
I was also thinking...(I know I should stop right there!) Maybe Skhix is exhibiting the same inconveniences as Supertib due to his air intake. Maybe the CELs are thrown due to a "starvation" of the engine. I just had a look at his mods and he doesn't mention an intake. Supertib was a stock ported intake (like a stage 3) and JackMcNasty I believe was running a stock intake with just intake cams.
Just a thought.
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