the same i want to know now there must be another guy who have tried this first?????!! please help us, the 2002 drivers

 

I have a GK Tib made in 2002 and sold as a 2003. The only piece of OBD software I can get to work all the time is from Palmer Performance. I use the Scan XL software with a ELM-Scan 327 interface. Works perfectly!

http://www.palmerperformance.com/

 

software with a

Where's C133-1 plug? I can't find it ?

It is on the V6 ECU. See here: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r137/linuxbox11/ecu.jpg
Largest connector, middle connector of the 5.

 

There was a recall on the early 03 tibs for this, I got a letter for it within the first year I owned the car. Hyundai had to add a ground wire so aftermarket scan tools would work, I had this done on mine and now any scan tool works. You should just be able to take it to the dealer and get it taken care of free of charge.

 

this one? here

i´ve enough software at home but i don´t know which hardware i should buy.... already have tried the APOS Bluetooth Interface with an ELM 327 chip but it won´t work

 

so is it nessesary to rewire the obd port or not on a 2002 tib?? wich pin or pins? need to now that because of my winterproject....
Really want to use the ELM interface because its looks nice and is very smal and use bluetooth

 

i´ve used the one you see below, there is a ELM327 chip inside, tryed many programs like scanXL or Palmer Software and free programs.
also i don´t understand why it works with the hyundai tucson of my farher but not with my tib :/
so i just check all wires first and maybe ask my hyundaidealer to fix it.... is there a service bulletin? or how you call that if the want to fix problems and let it people know like the clutchproblem of the early tib´s.....or is it called recall?

 

http://www.hmaservice.com/files/331/1083857/0301003A.gif

u might need to log in before viewing this.

full link to the TSB for this problem is here:

http://www.hmaservice.com/local_vie...nt.asp?uid=ctdubbin&sid=780502031&openNewWindow=Y&docu_no=1083857&title_num=331

just log in first in another window to make it easier.

 

Thanks for the input guys, but please read the whole posts before answering.

As i said in the first post, even with the pin 5 rewired, it still doesn't work.

With ScanXL and ELM327, it doesn"t work either.

And a new cool feature on 2002 european tibs : NGM ECU reflash for tibs with immobilizer doesn't work ! The immobilizer is weird and the car will not start. That's definitly perfect.

Actually, i hate this ECU
I hate OBDII
I hate 2002
I hate Hyundai
I hate this car...

I'm considering buying a standalone to solve the problem.
Or selling this damn car.

 

Hydra makes a nice standalone ECU.

 

http://www.aetool.com/upload/What is EOBD and OBDII Scantool.pdf

in that document it tells you what pins u need to have in order for it to work. the pin 5 was only a ground, so that doesn't mean u still arent missing the K-line wire.

i have a U.S. spec 03 GK and my setup is a scantool.net elmscanISO and the free software and mine works fine.

but most importantly, what scantool do you have? it has to be able to read the ISO14230 protocol in order to communicate with the vehicle.....

 

You can rewire the pin 5, it will still doesn't work...

Actually i have no more hope of making the OBDII port to work, and am considering buying a hydra.

 

hmmm are there any other guys with the same problem?? think its a general hyundai problem of the early tibs....... so anybody know something about a recall?

 

Never heard of it.

Actually some friends of the new tiburon french forum and i are about to send some letters to Hyundai France to explain our problem ; we are 5 french 2002 GK owners being concerned.

Hyundai dealers have never heard anything about it and are always telling us we have been messing something, and that the ECU is dead and must be changed (1500€....).

 

i don´t believe that!! i just know one other guy in my german forum who have the same problems......... i think i can find more and then you can put our names in the letter too....... i´v never done something on the obd port so they can´t say I´ve messed it! grrrrr

 

That's a really good idea. I've started a topic on my french forum and we're actually 11 owners of 2002 GK V6, and we all have this problem : no possible access to the ECU with OBDII. We have agreed to all send a mail in a few days (bomb mail scheduled on sunday 7th february ) to Hyundai France to complain about this. I

There's no 2002 GK V6 who doesn't have this problem ! We don't know if it's related to the 2 bits ECu, or something else, but whatever, the missing pin 5 on the OBDII port is not the clue ! Even if it's wired again, we can't have access to the OBDII.

It would be a good thing if other european forums could contact hyundai in the same time to complain about this.

I will contact the english forum about this. I'm counting on you to contact german forums. We're already 11 guys sending a mail in France. If all european 2002 V6 tib owners mobilize at once, we can make hyundai do something !

EDIT : now we're 13.

 

ok i´ve found 8 other guyy near my town with the same problem, just let me know about your complain letter and i can give you all names and so on. cu

 

Wow, that's good !

I'm in contact since a few days with a local tuner. The guy is repairing ECUs and reflashing them. We have worked on my car together to try to make this OBDII to work. We have tested the connections, tried all of his scanners, wired some cables directly from the ECU harness to the OBD port... No way.

The 15 guys from the tuscani french forum have sent an email today to Hyundai France to explain the problem. The 8 of you could do the same with hyundai germany.

One of us had sent the email one week ago, and has received an answer from hyundai, telling him to go to the local dealership to solve the problem... We'll all have to go through this. But for those of us who have a heavily modified tuscani, it will be hard to explain what we haven't messed with the ECU... My ECU harness is full of splicers from the piggyback and wideband...

 

my guy also says that he had a 2006 car with the same problem! so it seems to be a bigger tib problem! so is there a headquater from hyundai europe? it makes no sens to write to each country i think it´s better to write together with all people so we are 25 people just from this forum and me, there are much more i think!

an other thing is to write a letter to a magazine or something because hyundai don´t want to see this in public! we have ADAC (club for germany) for example or "Auto Bild" that are big mags here in germany.... what you think?

 

Re: Who has an OBD-II scantool on a 2002 GK3 ?



If you have an adress for Hyundai Europe, please give it to me.

We have sent our emails to Hyundai France. The answers are all the same :
- There have never been any recall, even in USA, for an OBDII problem or pin missing in the OBD port....... (so we are liers...)
- We have to go to our dealers so he can have a look at it (and he will say the ECU is having a problem, like before...)

We're quite angry whith these poor stupid answer. So we'll send the story to the magazines. But first, i have asked my pals to do it the good way : they'll go to their dealer shop and have it verifyed. They'll take pictures, they'll ask for a proof on paper. like good boys. THEN we'll send all this stuff to the magazines.

IF SOME OF YOU HAVE A PROOF OF THIS RECALL, PLEASE POST IT HERE OR SEND IT TO ME !!!!

 

ok i try to talk to my dealer again and ask what he can do, and talk to the other guys to get a proof on paper.

YES, if somebody know something about a recall please post it!!

thanks

 

Don't the European cars use EOBD?

 

OBDII, EOBD, what you call it, that's not the problem !

All the scanners, even those of the dealers, doesn't work with our 2002 tibs !!! That's the first major problem !

The second one is that the dealers and Hyundai are pretending they don't know about it and simply put the problem on a bad ECU, which must be paid by the owner !!!

 

Just wondering if any of you found a solution to this issue. I have a 2003 Tib manufactured in 2002. I had the recall done which wires pin 4 and 5 together, however my scan tool (http://www.canobd2.com/Products/ToolDetail.aspx?Id=CB7C2BBEB04949E2806F4C3A344975F2) still doesn't work. It's frustrating because the scanner works in every other car I've tried, just not my car, which is what I bought it for in the first place.

Anyway, I know it's an old post, but just thought I would see if anyone found a solution, seems like the problem is only really with the really early 3rd gen tibs.

 

Just wondering if any of you found a solution to this issue.

Yes, i have, at last, found the solution ! :3_yes:

You just have to wire the K line directly from the ECU to the scanner. From factory, the signal is not going directly, it's going through bcm and i think it's stopped there on 2002 GK with imobilizer.

You have to crimp a wire from the ECU harness. It's C133-1 (black plug with eight wires coming in it) pin 3 (color of the wire is green). Then you have to solder the other side of the wire directly on the pin 7 of the obd port. Thus, the signal going from the ECU to the obd port will not go through BCM and immobilizer, and your scanner will now find he ECU !

Rep, please, i think this will make a lot of 2002 GK owners happy.

 

I can't get generic scan tools to work on my 2002/3 Tib but the Elmscan 327 along with Palmer Performance's ScanXL works great!

 

i'll get the name of the one we use at work... its like $200

 

Thanks Elricdelyon for the detailed description of the fix, this will be very helpful.

 

Just out of curiosity. Do any of you know how the Hi-Scan Pro that the dealer uses works. Does this not rely on the K-Line? I ask because I know the dealer is able to scan codes from my car using the Hi-Scan Pro.

Elricdelyon, I know you mentioned that even the dealers scanner wouldn't work on your car so just thinking maybe our issues are different.

dmdicks, did you have the recall that connects pin 4 and 5 together done? Does your car have an immobilizer? Just asking to see if maybe the Elm327 would work for me, as I see from the posts that it worked for some, but not for others.

Thanks again guys.

 

I think our issues are the same, just try, easy fix.

I have an elm327 and scanXL didn't work for me.

Some of my friends with 2002 have had their car scanned successfully with the high scan pro, but aftermarket scanners didn't work. On mine, the high scan pro didn't work, but my dealer is a dickhead and i'm sure he didn't do it correctly.

 

I'm thinking your right. One last question, are your car's V6's or I4's?

Just curious as I was looking at the shop manual, and it looks like the immobilizer setup is different on the I4 verses V6. I4 has K-Line connected directly to OBD port, while V6 has K-Line going into BCM as you indicated, and there is a switch in their which then sends it to the OBD port, I'm thinking for some reason that switch isn't closing.

Thinking maybe the people who've got the Elm327 to work are I4's??

 

Problems were on 2002 GK V6 with immobilizer.
No problem on 2002 GK I4 with immobilizer.

 

i heard there is a standing recall on this aswell

 

The recall is for the missing pin 5 only. Most of the obd scantools will work even with this pin missing, as pin 4 and 5 are generally wired together in the scantool connector.

 

Well, I'm glad then that I store mine on a battery tender...

 

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Ναι, επιτέλους βρήκα τη λύση! : 3_ ναι:

Απλά πρέπει να συνδέσετε τη γραμμή Κ απευθείας από το ECU στο σαρωτή. Από το εργοστάσιο, το σήμα δεν πηγαίνει άμεσα, περνάει bcm και νομίζω ότι σταμάτησε εκεί το 2002 GK με imobilizer.

Πρέπει να πτυχώσετε ένα καλώδιο από την πλεξούδα ECU. Είναι C133-1 (μαύρο βύσμα με οκτώ καλώδια που έρχονται σε αυτό) ακίδα 3 (το χρώμα του καλωδίου είναι πράσινο). Στη συνέχεια, πρέπει να κολλήσετε την άλλη πλευρά του καλωδίου απευθείας στον πείρο 7 της θύρας obd. Έτσι, το σήμα που πηγαίνει από το ECU στη θύρα obd δεν θα περάσει από το BCM και το σύστημα ακινητοποίησης, και ο σαρωτής σας θα βρει τώρα ECU!

Rep, παρακαλώ, νομίζω ότι αυτό θα κάνει πολλούς κατόχους GK του 2002 ευχαριστημένους.
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